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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 9th, 16, 03:32 PM Thread Starter
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doors way off.... 1/4" too far back!

Just getting my 67 machine back together and found the doors a 1/4" or more rearward than they should be. New hinges all around.

I loosened the bolts that hold the hinges to the body shell where the threaded 3 hole plate is behind. Did my best pushing the hinges forward tapping with a heavy hammer but they are at the fullest forward position from what I can see.

Wondering if I should take off the doors and hinges and elongate those holes in the body shell horizontally toward the front to let the hinges move forward? Or elongate the holes in the hinges? Attached are pix to see what I've got. Sorry about 3 of the pix went vertical from my computer to this board.....
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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 9th, 16, 04:02 PM
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Re: doors way off.... 1/4" too far back!

When you had the doors off, there should have been holes that behind it has this floating plate with the threaded holes in it. I wonder if the holes themselves are not elongated enough and this is limiting the travel even though the plate may move more than that to where the holes then become partially covered ?.

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When you had the doors off, there should have been holes that behind it has this floating plate with the threaded holes in it. I wonder if the holes themselves are not elongated enough and this is limiting the travel even though the plate may move more than that to where the holes then become partially covered ?.

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That's what I'm thinking, Jim. As the doors fit great with the old hinges but not with the new ones. So, I'm hoping that the holes can be elongated and also the plate will move further forward. Looks like I'll have to pull the doors off to check this out. Not a big deal as I rigged up a door jack using a tranny jack base....
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I would maybe mark where they sit now with some masking tape around the edges of the hinge and then after filing the opening (if that even works) make sure it's enough AND not expose things that should be covered by the hinge.

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Re: doors way off.... 1/4" too far back!

Gordon, Did you rebuild the original hinges or are you using repops ? If using repops compare them to the originals. Chances are they are different. I don't think there is much more movement in the caged nuts than what you have used already. You'll probably have to modify the door side of the hinges. Or have the originals rebuilt.

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As the doors fit great with the old hinges but not with the new ones..
And there is your problem. I do not use aftermarket hinges on restorations. I especially send '67 GM hinges to Willie due to their design. HoodHingeRepair.com You'll receive rebuilt GM '67 hinges better than the factory made them. I've posted this info numerous times with photos. As expected, I am easily able to adjust doors to quarters and fenders with GM hinges.

A previous customer supplied me with new repro '67 hinges and they were sloppy and poorly made. When the car arrived I told him to supply me his original GM hinges to be rebuilt.

I've sent Willie numerous '67 door hinges, hood hinges and '53 Ford truck hinges and have no complaints.
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If you still have the old hinges, rebuild them.

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Gordon, Did you rebuild the original hinges or are you using repops ? If using repops compare them to the originals. Chances are they are different. I don't think there is much more movement in the caged nuts than what you have used already. You'll probably have to modify the door side of the hinges. Or have the originals rebuilt.
I got repops. I let the original ones go as, at the time, they were junk to me and I let them go, but now I do realize I should have kept them as a lot of guys on this site say "keep everything" when rebuilding a car.

Modifying the door side of the hinges is not going to add any more lateral movement. I would have to modify the body side of the hinges as that's the part that's going to slide laterally more to the front hopefully, and back. The door side of the hinge will adjust the door in or out perpendicular to the length of the door.

Anyway, off come the doors in a day or 2 and will take it from there and let y'all know what's going on.

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I got repops. I let the original ones go as, at the time, they were junk to me and I let them go, but now I do realize I should have kept them as a lot of guys on this site say "keep everything" when rebuilding a car.

Modifying the door side of the hinges is not going to add any more lateral movement. I would have to modify the body side of the hinges as that's the part that's going to slide laterally more to the front hopefully, and back. The door side of the hinge will adjust the door in or out perpendicular to the length of the door.

Anyway, off come the doors in a day or 2 and will take it from there and let y'all know what's going on.

Gordon, I should have said body side (my bad). They can be slotted quite easily on a mill or with a die grinder.

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Re: doors way off.... 1/4" too far back!

Since the original hinges are gone, you might still be able to use the reproduction hinges.

Some people enlarge the hinge's A pillar bolt hole so the door will move forward a little more.

I was able to enlarge the A pillar mounting plate holes to allow the door to move forward.

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Mounting plate door holes enlarged with a die grinder:



Photo of the A pillar door mounting plate. This is the side that is facing the interior of the car.


It is hard to see but the above mounting piece has a mounting plate that is surrounded by a metal box. The plate can only move so much before it hits the box.

If you enlarge the hinge holes, the bolt will no longer fit tightly in the hole. Maybe the door could slip out of position in the future.

There is not much spare metal to remove from the mounting plate holes.

You might have to do a combination of both methods.

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Re: doors way off.... 1/4" too far back!

Thanks, Patrick for the pix. A-pillar is the term I was looking for! I've got a die grinder so will use that to elongate the holes forward. If I have to elongate the hinge holes as well, I'll have to use metal epoxy to inject into the bolt hole to hopefully keep it from moving in the future.

Glad this is not a strict restoration and it's to be a fun car. I'll go back in my receipts this weekend and find what brand name and who sold me these repops. Seems anything made overseas can be way off as far as specs is concerned. But my local machine shop when he does my block .030 over on the cylinders the .030 over made in American piston rings fit like a charm and the end gaps are on spec!

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