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Need help / advice working with body filler

I'm doing some of my first body filler. I'm trying to hide my ugly welds underneath the car where I welded in new floor pans so I'm not that concerned with how slick it looks once done. The problem I am having is the filler I'm working with gets hard within 2 minutes of mixing in hardener and I don't get to spread it all out. At first I was using an old can of Evercoat Rage Gold. I was told it is probably too old so I just bought a new can of Evercoat Z grip and new hardener of course. Same thing. It seems no matter how little hardener I put in it it sets up right away. Here are pics of what I bought, stirring it, mixing it and the hard puddle I get right away. Suggestions?
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post #2 of 18 (permalink) Old Aug 6th, 18, 09:37 AM
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Re: Need help / advice working with body filler

Use a little less hardener when the weather is hot. You have to move real fast. Two minutes is way too long for mixing....

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Either you are mixing it for to minutes, or too much hardner. That looks like a lot of hardner for that little bit of filler.

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Re: Need help / advice working with body filler

I didn't mean to imply I mix it for 2 minutes. I only mix it until it becomes a uniform new color, maybe 15 seconds. Then I start to spread it, which works good at first, but within 2 minutes (maybe less) the puddle is so hard I can't scoop it up. I'll try even less hardener and move really fast or as fast as my old bones will let me.
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Re: Need help / advice working with body filler

rule of thumb is to use a pea sized amount of hardener for a 4" diameter puddle or golf ball size of filler.
and yes if it is too hot out use less hardener or wait for a cooler day

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It's 94 in the shade today. I have a non-cooled garage of course. So maybe I'll get up and go at it about 3:00 AM. It sure is nice being retired!
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Your pics show way too much hardener and the high heat you have is accelerating it. Mix small amounts and work small areas...its a race for sure but what you are experiencing is normal.
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It's 94 in the shade today. I have a non-cooled garage of course. So maybe I'll get up and go at it about 3:00 AM. It sure is nice being retired!
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even if you have a window mount a/c unit, put it on the floor in the garage and run it for an hour or two. that will drop the temps and give you alot of work time

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If you are using hardener then use little if your area is much hotter. Try to make it more softer and also try to move more faster. Although it will be hard as its a race but you will feel better after you done it well.
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rule of thumb is to use a pea sized amount of hardener for a 4" diameter puddle or golf ball size of filler.
and yes if it is too hot out use less hardener or wait for a cooler day
Worked on it for a couple of hours last night between midnight and 2:00 AM. I took your advice about a pea size ball of hardener and I was able to get it applied when I stuck to a small puddle. That is way less hardener than the instructions say and all the uTubes I watched. Thanks for the advice.
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If you are using hardener then use little if your area is much hotter. Try to make it more softer and also try to move more faster. Although it will be hard as its a race but you will feel better after you done it well.
Can this stuff be used without hardener? I didn't realize that. How long until you can sand it if you don't use it?
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No - you must use hardener.
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You need seam sealer not body filler. It will be easier to use/put on and it will dry hard, then you can undercoat or paint over it.

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Watch the second section of this episode in reference to the seam sealer.

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Re: Need help / advice working with body filler

I'm going to use seam sealer where the new pan lays on a cross brace like it would have originally. I'm using body filler to cover where the new pan is welded onto a lip of the old pan around the edges. Those areas are some kind of ugly. I'm learning to weld as well as body work. Filler is making them look much better.

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