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post #1 of 55 (permalink) Old Jan 6th, 10, 12:17 PM Thread Starter
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I've been trolling for a while and finally signed up as a member. This is my first post, so be gentle...

Some history:

I've owned my Camaro since Dec 31, 1987. It's a base 307 with 350 auto, A/C, P/S, Power drum brakes. That's the extent of the options. I drove it for a few months as purchased and the 307 blew in May of 88. I put in a .030 over 350 and drove it that way sporadically until December 1990 when I was deployed for Desert Storm. The car sat in my parents garage for 11 years until I bought my own place and had a garage built in 2001. Marriage and 3 kids, and here I am again looking at the Camaro.

The car doesn't appear to have had any work done to it body wise. I was going to send it down to the installation center in Georgia, but upon further inspection, I don't think I need to go to those lengths for this car. I have a mig welder and am tempted to try this myself, but time is not my friend. I just want to get the body work done so I can start bolting it together again. I have no experience with body work and a community college welding course under my belt. The frame (not pictured) is powder coated and rebuilt and is sitting patiently with the same 355 and now a TH2004R from an '87 Monte SS bolted to it.

Other than the engine being rebuilt, I have never left this car with anyone to work on and am a bit wary of all body shops. Does anyone have any good body shops in NY City you can recommend (I am in Bayside, Queens). My friends body shops all seem to be insurance specialists and are not interested in doing this work.

Link to pictures is below. All comments and suggestions are welcome. Thanks for taking the time to read this. I will try to keep this post updated as I get to all the work (whether I do it myself or not).

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Re: 69 Coupe Resto

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WELCOME ABOARD!

Looks like you will have a nice solid car to start with. Not bad at all! I noticed the tail panel and driver's 1/4 dents to be wrestled with, and some other little trouble spots, but nothing major at all. Of course, without blasting and removing the paint down to metal, you can never really tell 100% at first glance--especially through pics. But definitely a solid car to start with. Wish mine was that nice.

I would recommend exactly what you are doing. Join this incredible site, ask for help, throw out a few lines, and see who's in your area that is willing to tackle some replacement panels and patchwork. There's bound to be someone on here in your area or at least local that will recommend someone to you.

Looks like you will need: (just so you have another opinion before you search out bodyshops) I'm 10000% sure others will chime in too.
  1. outer rocker or replace?
  2. some window channel repairs here and there
  3. tail panel repair or replace?
  4. driver 1/4 repair or replace?
  5. pass 1/4 upper well lip repair/patch panel
  6. door repairs for the dents
  7. firewall repair
  8. inner cowl possible repair, but most likely replace?
* hope you don't mind, I just love making lists. This is just at first glance through internet pics, but I would be proud of that one. Clean car! Let us know if you need help along the way. I am neck-deep in my 69 coupe restoration as we speak. Check out my thread for 100's of pics and great reference info., measurements, etc... Enjoy!

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Re: 69 Coupe Resto

A good thing to do is sign up for a free picture hosting site so you can post your pics directly into your thread. I use photobucket, but there are dozens of other good ones out there to use now.

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Welcome......................look forward to seeing your progress. I can guarantee if you have questions you WILL find the answer on this site. Excellent bunch of members and it somewhat resembles an extended family on here. I am on the West Coast so can't help with bodyshop suggestions but I am sure others will chip in some suggestions.


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Welcome. Thanks for your service and good luck with your project!
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Todd,

I agree with you on all the work needed. I do want to replace the entire cowl panel rather than trying to repair. I think the upper dash can be repaired if I can somehow remove the cowl box without damaging the dash panel.

Thanks for the hosting suggestion. Looks like Picasa does it as well. Now that I know how to post a pic, this is my other vehicle. A '95 Honda Magna. Very fun.



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I had no luck finding someone to do this work. The shops that were willing to look at it didn't give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Looks like I'm doing this myself.

I want to thank everyone who posts their work on this board. I've been reading and looking at the pictures extensively. Without this resource I would never attempt this. I'll try to be as good as others with my updates and help with the limited knowledge I have. If anyone spots an obvious mistake I'm making please point it out.

I'm starting with the boxed cowl section and dash top. I've started by removing the outer section of the cowl. I need to remove the outer shoulders to continue.


I did manage to separate the drivers side without removing the shoulders with the use of an angle drill attachment. The passenger side is too tight to do the same way.


Thanks for looking.

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Re: 69 Coupe Resto

Looks like you got a nice start on the tear down there...

Just be sure to tack weld in some bracing between the A-pillars (windshield opening) and/or lower front door jambs and across each door opening before removing too much. You don't want the shell to twist and distort while taking parts off.

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I was going to leave it alone in this section. The firewall is still in place (the rusted top portion was cut off) and the doors still on the car. I took measurements between the windshield trim attachment studs and fender mounting bolts. You think I need more than that?
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Re: 69 Coupe Resto

Are you replacing the complete inner cowl section or just the upper portion that you removed? If you remove the rest of it, I would definitely add some bracing.

What about the firewall? Are you replacing it too?

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I am replacing the entire boxed section of the cowl (inner and outer). The firewall is not being replaced. I'm leaving it with just that top rusted lip cut out. I've got the drivers side of the lower cowl separated and I have to say that it's not flexing at all.

This is what I started with:


In the better safe than sorry category, I should have braced it, but it does seem very solid with so much of the firewall in place. One thing missing in the pic above, I do have a 1X1 steel brace bolted between the frame mounts now, although I don't think that would help with flexing.
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Has anyone seen anything like this. This is the passenger side cowl shoulder:



Looks like the assembler whipped out the big hammer.
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Just checking in to see how the tear down is going. It's been a while since an update or pics.

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Todd,

Thanks for checking in. I've been meaning to post an update. I finished removing the cowl and I started small by butt welding up the blower motor hole on the pass side. It took me way too long and It's pretty ugly. I don't have much practical experience with MIG welding (translation: none) and It was pretty depressing how much I had to grind just to get it passable. I'm sure I would get better with practice, but I'm tired of waiting and really was concerned about it being done right. I wish I had the patience and skill to do what so many of you guys do on here, but I'm going to farm out the panel replacement.

Long story, short: I contacted Tony from Muscle Car Metal and I'm waiting for a contract from him to do the panel replacement (should be here soon). Quarters, rear panel, Inner-outer wells, trunk floor, roof, cowl, smooth firewall, dash. He said he can fit the car in the beginning of December and I should have it back early next year. My wife was on board with the cost (she's going to have to drive our 2001 Sante Fe a little while longer).

I saw Tony's work from Steve's thread and called him. He was exactly like his reputation; very nice and a great guy to talk with. I will post pics of my attempt soon so you can laugh at my mess. I know I gave up a bit soon, but I think I'll be much happier getting this portion done professionally. I've got some rust on the Santa Fe, maybe I'll butcher that for practice.

While the shell is out being worked on by MCM, Iíll get some good pics together of my frame and engine.

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That's cool. Sometimes that's the best way to go. Hey--at least you can say you tried right? I bet you're more excited now than ever being that there's a bright light at the end of the tunnel. I am sure it will turn out sweet coming from Tony's shop. His work looks pretty nice from what I have seen on here. Hmmm... by January huh? I will try to beat you to it if I can. I want to get this metal work done so badly too. I was getting concerned and thought you may have sold it. Glad to see you'll stick it through.

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