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post #16 of 3197 (permalink) Old Oct 20th, 10, 07:03 PM Thread Starter
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Re: 69 Grandma to COPO Clone Resto... One step at a time!

Well when it rains it pours. I just got back from the shop working on the car, only to know find out that I should have got full quarters. What else is new. I was concidering that. A full quarter will cost $300.00 more. Unfortunatly I have the 80% piece of crap already, that I wanted to send back right away. My body guy says he can make it work, and says to only replace part of the outer wheel well that is rusted around the edge not the entire piece. He is 72 and has been restoring Show cars all his life, not a repair shop. He said since I am building a driver he can make it look great with the 80%. I will discuss with him tomorrow as per the advice expressed here and see what he says. The only downside to getting AMD full quarters, Could be a few weeks for delivery to Canada, which would seriously affect the progress of the project. Also note that the drivers side quarter has already been changed and lap welded in place before I purchased the car. New outer wheel wells replaced as well. With that said, I am thinking it will be ok to have both 80% quarters. Don says he will but weld up a storm and I will never know the difference. He says if I was doing a serious resto on a serious car he would do the full quarter without question, but given the circumstances he says this is an acceptable plan. Obviously if I am smoking the pipe let me know before I make a fatal mistake!!!!

He are some pics from today.

Check out the old original quarter. I figure no matter what I do it will be a huge improvement over this disaster.





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New Piece of Crap. I was told that all skins are crap and there is no difference really between all of them. I was told that full quarters are better quality. IS that true?







Made a window cover to keep crap out of my interior



Good news and bad news. Bad news, this is the the window channel rust. Good news, this is the only problem area in the channel. I was expecting much worse, if you can believe that.



The car is pretty rough and I am not going to do a full resto, as it will just be a decent driver, with fresh paint and rust fixed. Call it a budget build if you will. So far the only cost has been the horrible sheet metal that came to $200.00. I am ready to be set straight. Let me have it!!!

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Just as I suspected since you first posted pics of the car a long time ago. A full quarter will also take care of that channel rot. Forget the 80% quarter. Did you look at the pics of the 80%'s in the link I posted earlier and the comments about them?
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Mike,

The guys I used for my parts are just an hour away from you and have 95% of all the parts I ordered in stock including the two full quarters I bought. They do stock the AMD stuff, its where my AMD trunk lid came from as well.

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Kevin-- great to see you on here again. I know those legal battles can't be fun or easy, but chin up, you'll plow through it all. We will still be here when you dive in full throttle again.

Hi Todd,

the rotisserie looks good. I got some good news today, cautiously optimistic about this thing coming to an end. It's mainly why I have been holding back on her to find out which way things where going to land. It's really looking like I will come out OK on this one at the end of the day knock on wood.

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Mike you are in Vancover right?Go to gasoline alley,they probably have a full quarter in stock,the $300 extra price will save you in labor bigtime.To do a skin it will take 12-16 hrs just in mud work,not worth the hassle.Trust me I have changed hundreds of quarters in my career and skins are a hassle.Back in the 80's that is all we had to work with unless you had NOS.Take the panel back and get a full quarter you car will thank you
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I am watching you budget refurb with a close eye!
Your old fender repairs remind me what is on that Rally Green vert of mine!
Much progress lately on my 70 Elky at the fender-mender's, keeping me away from my Elky.

What size wheels and tires? Looks like 15x7 with 235/60/15s

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Wow I hope my body guy agrees to do the quarter. I will have a talk with him about the options. Since budget is key, if a full quarter is the cheaper way to go and it is not to late to stop the train, I might be in luck. Either way after what I had for a quarter before, I will be happy with an improvement.

I would also have to factor in the extra work that will need to be done to strip the rest of the quarter. Standby for a report of what the boss says. I will respect his opinion since he is doing the work and letting me use his shop for free. I will check availability of a full quarter and post how I make out at the end of the day.

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Mike, is that waves in the bottom of the new 1/4 panel or is that a reflection? I bought all new skin from Firehwheel Classics, I might have told you that already in a older thread, my body shop has completed the re-skinning but they too had fitment probs, but it was very minor compaired to other jobs I've seen. Your back window area looks just like mine did. The full 1/4 is the way to go. Everyone I talked to about high dollar skin compared to cheap skin seems to think there is no difference in quality so I bought the repo's from Firewheels and have really been happy with the quality. They will have to wipe a few spots but its not major at all. Hope you get a good piece and it fits well. Your 69 is too cool!!

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Mike, is that waves in the bottom of the new 1/4 panel or is that a reflection? I bought all new skin from Firehwheel Classics, I might have told you that already in a older thread, my body shop has completed the re-skinning but they too had fitment probs, but it was very minor compaired to other jobs I've seen. Your back window area looks just like mine did. The full 1/4 is the way to go. Everyone I talked to about high dollar skin compared to cheap skin seems to think there is no difference in quality so I bought the repo's from Firewheels and have really been happy with the quality. They will have to wipe a few spots but its not major at all. Hope you get a good piece and it fits well. Your 69 is too cool!!

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Hey Jason thanks for the feedback. Yes those are waves. I wanted to send it back as soon as I saw it, but my body guy said he would pound it straight. I will find out tomorrow if I can switch to full panel mode at this point. It will involve finding a new panel and returning the one I bought, then removing more than I was planning. But in the end I need to go with what will keep my project on budget and fit the build. I went so far over the top on my last attempt that I restored myself out of a car. I will see if I can take the full panel route as per the suggestions. I am suppossed to start mounting the quarter in the morning. We will know soon enough. Either way I am going to be fine, because I now have a plan and the car is actually seeing progress. For that I am thankful. This time I AM TRYING TO KEEP IT REAL!

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Wow!! I know what you mean about restoring yourself out of a car. Best terminology I've heard! A guy I talked to today said he has about $50k in his 69 and its still not finished and he is sick of looking at it. I never want to get to that point! Here is a few shots, even though its a 67.
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It looks good in pics but the body guys wanted to pull thier hair out sometimes. But thats where the art of a good body guy comes in. I think thier slogan is " For enough money, we can do just about anything "

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Hi Todd,

the rotisserie looks good. I got some good news today, cautiously optimistic about this thing coming to an end. It's mainly why I have been holding back on her to find out which way things where going to land. It's really looking like I will come out OK on this one at the end of the day knock on wood.

Knocking as I type. I wish you the best man! That's great.

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As Master Yoda would say, "new quarters lead to dollars, dollars lead to a little more money, a little more money leads to nice Camaro. Smiling, you'll be, when nice, your Camaro is." Mike-- Yoda has a point. Go for the little extra now, it will take you a long way. Save time, look tighter/cleaner in the end. Full quarter is the way to go. You'll love it. My .04$ (conversion factor to Canadian)

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Wow!! I know what you mean about restoring yourself out of a car. Best terminology I've heard! A guy I talked to today said he has about $50k in his 69 and its still not finished and he is sick of looking at it. I never want to get to that point! Here is a few shots, even though its a 67.
Hey jason what color is that car Frost, Sequioa or Sea Foam green? I am not up on the paint names. What color are you going to paint it? Remind me of my 68 which needed every panle replaced including the roof skin. Only the floor was ok. Even the cowl was rusted.

Car looks great. Keep me posted on the progress.

I swear I am going to spend as little as possible on the car an just try to drive it as close to stock as possible and change the least amount of parts.

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As Master Yoda would say, "new quarters lead to dollars, dollars lead to a little more money, a little more money leads to nice Camaro. Smiling, you'll be, when nice, your Camaro is." Mike-- Yoda has a point. Go for the little extra now, it will take you a long way. Save time, look tighter/cleaner in the end. Full quarter is the way to go. You'll love it. My .04$ (conversion factor to Canadian)
Hey Todd we will see in the morning how I make out with the last minute switch to full quarter idea. If it was just me it would be no problem, but Don is being such a gentleman I am going to confir with the master of this build. I just do what he tells me to do, seeing as he has built who knows how many award winning cars and I have built how many???

I gree it is the way to go, it will on one hand create more work right now as I am ready to mock up the skin tomorrow, but it will save me having to patch the window channel and bondo up the seam of the butt weld etc.

How do you feel about only replacing part of the outter wheel well? I was thinking since most of it is solid I would keep as much original solid metal as possible. But which would be more work to replace the entire piece or replace half. It gets funky to have to change the whole piece I was thinking if I don't have to. I Had the same idea for the quarter. Doh!

Also curious about the drop off. Fix or replace.

It is a little confusing because on one hand everyone says how bad the new sheet metal is, and then on the other, it's don't fix, but replace.But use original first if you can repair. Ok now I am really confused!

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