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Starter or Solenoid?

Hi all
Have a 68 Camaro and most the time no issues with startups, but noticed recently when hitting the ignition the starter is not engaining the flywheel? I can here it throw but just spins as if if its not being pushed far enough to catch on the flywheel. Hit the key again and it fires right up. Is this the selenoid dying out or the starter it self?


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Re: Starter or Selenoid?

Could be the solenoid spring getting weak. Could also be the starter teeth not properly aligning while engaging into the flywheel teeth.
I would take a close look and see just how far or if the starter is properly engaging the flywheel. before you start buying replacement parts.
Solenoids are inexpensive.
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Re: Starter or Selenoid?

The starter has been in place for close to 20 years now and figure something was just wearing out. A solenoid is much cheaper than a new starter now a days. I will replace this first and see what happens.

Thanks for your input!

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Re: Starter or Selenoid?

The S terminal may not be getting enough power from the ign switch, it is also 20 years old.
If a remote starter switch test works locally, then could be start terminals of the ign switch need cleaning.

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If it becomes necessary, have that Delco starter rebuilt, if it is one. And put the starter brace back in.
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Re: Starter or Selenoid?

Thanks for the valuable input. I actually just replaced the ignition swith due to a weird intermittent buzzing sound coming from under my hood. I thought I had a faulty ignition switch and come to find out it was a defective coil that decided to come apart internally. It would short out and kept firing when the igintion was turned to the on poistion making a buzzing sound like the key in the ignition buzzer in the horm relay. The weirdest thing.

I wish I kept my original delco unit, but being young and dumb tossed it in the dumpster. I have an old accel starter that has been very loyal for 20 years now. It it was their version of the original delco that they no longer make I ordered a acell high torque solenoid for $50 from Summit and will give it a whirl. What would be good way to test the solenoid with a multi meter to eneure it's getting the proper voltage? What are the correct ranges I should see?

I will though maybe get the remote starter switch to test it out prior to installation of the new solenoid just to be sure. I have a flat tappet cam and rollers that need adjusting every 3 to 6 months so it will come in handy after testing. I am 99.9% sure it not an alignment problem since both the flywheel and starter teeth look great.

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Could be the solenoid spring getting weak. Could also be the starter teeth not properly aligning while engaging into the flywheel teeth.
I would take a close look and see just how far or if the starter is properly engaging the flywheel. before you start buying replacement parts.
Solenoids are inexpensive.
Be safe.
Yes andalso noe that the flywheel teeth only wear in a small area, so turning 90 degress will fix.
Be careful with rebuilt starters, the armitures are not always checked on a growler machine, and solder joint continuity checked when cold...so after a few months one ends up with the 'heat sink' falicy effect even thu with a low intial timing.

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Could be a failed starter drive. With a helper you can look - if the pinion engages the flywheel and the starter motor spins w/o cranking the engine, the drive has likely failed, unless the flywheel teeth are chewed up.


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Re: Starter or Solenoid?

Agree rebuilds are suspect. If the solenoid does not fix it I will most likley go with a new starter. I do not want to dump money on an old accell unit when I can invest in a new unit with warranty more than 30 days.

The problem is intermitent and only happens once every 5 or so tries. Sounds as if its kicking out, but just not far enough to engagte the flywheel and spins. After it stops I hit the key again and starts right up.

I hope it's just the solenoid is aged (20 years old), but as always that is too easy! She likes to make me suffer a little before cooperating.

If I do need a new starter what is the hot tip on the site for most depenable? I see a lot talk about mini starters now due to header clearence issues and heat.

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It could be something as simple as crap in the bendex..the throw out part on the end...give that part a bloody good wash flush and DO NOT LUBE it...It MUST be assembled dry.
But if the starter has been going for 20 odd yrs, and the intial dizzy advance is not over advanced all it will need is a $20 kit...solenoid replacement parts, new bearings bushes and brushes
Dismantle lay out on the bench in order, clean up replace with parts in the kit....
Re turn the commentator part on the armiture..the copper bit that the brushes run on,
Havnt got a lathe nps .
A bit of fine emery, and a leather boot lace will do just as a good job in about the same time as by the time its mounted in the lath and turned down
Wrap the emery aroinf the commentator with liberal amout of kerosene
Wrap the boot lace around a couple times, grab each end, and pull alternatively to sping the emery ....
Basicaly u have just done a FULL rebuild on your starter motor....not rocket science is it?

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Re: Starter or Solenoid?

Thanks Steps I will copy this down and off to the garage this weekend to rebuild the unit. I hope?

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Steps, that was great! You've brought back my youth.
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I dont think there is much in yrs between us m8 lol
There is still a lot of the "fastest Indian" (I assume u guys saw the movie) in us kiwis...we grew up and still to a certain extent... not being able to just pop down to the local spare parts shop for a bit of simple R&R (remove and replace).

OH and that emery...replace with fine wet dry sand paper, and the leather strap with polish crank journals as good if not better than machined.

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