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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old Jan 4th, 02, 07:53 AM Thread Starter
 
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I have 68 camaro with 454 motor[early 70s].When it has not been started for a day or 2,the starter engages and will not disengage!I have put new starter solenoid on but it still happens! After the car starts, it works fine. Could the ignition switch be hanging? Any help would be a huge help!!
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post #2 of 18 (permalink) Old Jan 4th, 02, 08:51 AM
 
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I'm experiencing the same problem. Starter keeps cranking even when the key is removed. I've replaced the solenoid and some brittle wires leading to it, and the starter switch but it still happens. It disengages fine when the engine starts.

I'm thinking its a short, fried inline relay or improper grounding in the wire harness from the horn relay through the firewall to the starter switch. Also could be a bad horn relay. Anyone else have this problem?

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post #3 of 18 (permalink) Old Jan 4th, 02, 11:16 AM
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probaly the ignition switch going bad and/or out of adjustment.or maybe you have some funky wiring problem. or the car is possessed..

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I had a car that did this with a new starter. Another starter solved the problem. The contacts in the solenoid were sticking.

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post #5 of 18 (permalink) Old Jan 5th, 02, 12:46 AM
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Some times the starter get stuck against the flywheel cause it's in need of shims. Some resto catalogs sell them.
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post #6 of 18 (permalink) Old Jan 5th, 02, 03:57 PM
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Put car on jack stands parking brake on 9/16 socket an extension, crawl under, have someone start engine if stays engaged loosen bolts that hold starter, if disengages try putting in some shims.
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ORENCH and Clash69,
The problem posted describes an electrical problem, not mechanical as in needing shims. Are you suggesting that an improperly shimmed starter could cause a starter to continue cranking even after the key is turned off and removed?

Just asking, no flames here.
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Not my reply, but yeah, it could. If the starter gear and flywheel mesh too hard, it might stick. Metal expands when it's cold (right?), as he said it is fine after the car warms up. It would seem me that it's possible that various parts contract enough after it warms up to make everything give a little. In my experience though, if the starter is not shimmed properly, it can sound really harsh while it's cranking.

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Not to be a wise a$$ but metal expands when hot and contracs when cold
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I had a jeep once, that was acting real wierd. Even with the key removed, the starter stayed engaged, the problem was fixed with a full battery charge??

any idea why??
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I knew it was one way or the other. No offense taken, just trying to throw out some ideas, so somebody doesn't throw all sorts of money at something that could be possibly fixed with some $2 shims.
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Spame I understand and agree 100%
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Sorry "Lownf4me" but I was answering to CVH-SS/RS situation where he didn't mentioned the removed key.
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I have 68 camaro with 454 motor[early 70s].When it has not been started for a day or 2,the starter engages and will not disengage!I have put new starter solenoid on but it still happens! After the car starts, it works fine. Could the ignition switch be hanging? Any help would be a huge help!!
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post #14 of 18 (permalink) Old Jan 12th, 02, 06:34 PM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks for all the help. The starter does keep cranking even when the key is removed.The previous owner wired the tach lite to the ignition wire{hot from switch} so the lite would be on whenever the car is on. Could this be part of the problem? This is also why i think the ignition switch is working because when I turn off the key, the tach lite goes out but the starter keeps cranking.The starter only hangs the first time and of course the car doesnt start until it finally disengages and I try again.Then the car starts and works fine the rest of the day???????
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CVH,
Well I've diagnosed my starter problem. I replaced the fried horn relay but the problem persisted. So I removed the starter and hooked the wires up to it outside the car. It operates fine, so the problem must be improper shimming.

I took the back plate off the starter to inspect the brushes - man I'm surprised that thing even turned with all the oil and crap that was inside. So I'm swapping out the starter too.

So if you're still having a starter run-on problem and have ruled out electrical problems like I have, it's got to be a shimming problem.

Hope this helps,
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