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post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old Jun 17th, 06, 02:09 PM Thread Starter
 
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very stupid starter problem but I need serious help please!

OK, I really need some help here. I have read every other post about this. I needed to replace my starter in my 86 Z28. I had done it before in my Grand Am which was simple as could be so thought, what the heck, I can do the one in the camaro as well and save $150. So, I tackled it, got out all the bolts and the strap and was under there for 2 hours trying to get the thing out because the exhaust is in the way.

I read every single post I could find and most of them say to remove the Y pipe? What is this and how do you remove it? I know I sound retarded but my knowledge of cars is limited and I am a small sized woman who does not bench press or work out so my strength is limited as well. (It was a real chore to maneuver that big fat starter for so long)

So, please, if you have any idea exactly what position I have to get this thing in to get it out, let me know. Or let me know what I have to remove and exactly how so I can get this thing out. Ive really gotten myself into a bit of trouble here since I thought it would be a 30 minute job and its been 2 days and I NEED to drive the car tomorrow. Im really in over my head here. PLEASE RESPOND. A thousand Thank yous!!!
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post #2 of 5 (permalink) Old Jun 17th, 06, 02:16 PM
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Re: very stupid starter problem but I need serious help please!

You need to drop the exhaust system an inch or two wo get enough clearance to slide the starter out.
The "Y Pipe" is the first pipe in the exhaust, from the 2 manifolds on each side of the engine they go down then join together (in a "Y") into a single pipe and enter the catylitic convertor.

If you follow the pipes up to the engine, you'll see a flange with 2 or 3 studs with nuts on them, on each side of the motor. The drivers side needs to be loosened a bit, the pass side the nuts need to come completely off.

Once you've done that, you'll be able to pull the exhaust pipes down enouigh so the starter will have room to come off.

The catch (there's always a catch isn't there?) is that thos nots and studs are gonna be rusty and they're gonna be stuck. Spray em down with liquid wrench or another penetrating oil, and kinda tap on them then spray more and repeat. Be careful when you try to actually turn them, you don't want to break off the studs, give em a sharp "rap" with the wrench, not a steady pull.

Wear some safety glasses or something. All that rust, of course, falls down, right into your face.





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post #4 of 5 (permalink) Old Jun 17th, 06, 07:11 PM
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That rust actually aims for your eyes. A friend on mine lost his sight in one eye by trying to rub the grit out of his eyes which resulted in an infection that cost him his sight. Can not stress safety goggles enough. That being said those studs and rusty nuts are going to be a royal pain.

Another shade tree option is to get a MAPP gas torch (like the cheesy propane torches sold at K-Mart in the automotive section but it has an oxidizer in with the fuel to get a hotter flame.

Lying on your back for this procedure you will appreciate were being a small woman will be definitely advantageous (I'm huge by large, so I know what I'm talking out here). The object is to heat the exhaust stud till it glows cherry red; then throw water on it to quickly quench the nut. Needless to say all that heat goes into the water, which falls down (here is were being small is good) soaking what is beneath it. I'm am close to the width of the car so I have no place to hide. The nut should just about fall off with very little effort after this. If not repeat the process. The only flaw with this procedure is there is always one nut that is hard to get to while lying on your back.

Depending upon how long you plan to keep the car you replace the nuts with brass ones as they will not seize up again, or mild steel ones from the hardware store (3/8-16 hex nut mild steel, stainless steel, or brass will work).


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Re: very stupid starter problem but I need serious help please!

All of the courtesy reply should be enuff to say,, I don't want to same $150. I need this to be done. If the lady has no help,, I would say , take it to Firestone. Course today is Sunday and she wants to drive the car Monday.

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