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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old Feb 21st, 10, 01:09 PM Thread Starter
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New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

Hi Everyone,

I have a 67 Camaro with a mono leaf setup that I'm looking to convert to multi leaf. I'm looking to get a new Moser 12 bolt which I will order with multi leaf perches. Is there anything else I need to do to the car to do the swap? I was thinking of getting the Hotchkis 2407C as they seem to be a popular choice for people.

If anyone can let me know what else I would need to do I would really appreciate it.

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Re: New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

Perhaps DSE lower shock plates.

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post #3 of 32 (permalink) Old Feb 21st, 10, 09:17 PM Thread Starter
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Re: New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

Thanks, Red Rocker.

I assume you mean these: http://www.detroitspeed.com/productp..._prod_test.htm.

Are these used for swaps? How do I tell which ones I need? If I need them for the swap I want to order them before I start taking it all apart. I know since I have a 67 need non-staggered but do I want inboard or outboard?

Are these what people normally use to perform swaps?

Thanks again for your suggestion.
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Re: New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

Someone may be able to answer if they're necessary, but the mono and multi's used different spring eye brackets. That's the part that bolts to the front of the spring and then to the frame. You'll also need a multileaf install kit which will come with all your j-nuts, u-bolts, pads, brackets, rear bushings, etc. The one from D&R Classic works fine. Both of those items will run you around $60 and $90 respectively. You may have to hog out the holes in the spring eye brackets (I did).

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post #5 of 32 (permalink) Old Feb 22nd, 10, 07:44 PM Thread Starter
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Re: New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

Thanks, Steiner.

I've seen a few multileaf conversion kits, I just didn't know if that was if you were keeping your stock rearend or not. Because mine will come with multileaf perches, that's why I was wondering. But it makes sense that I would need all of those other parts as well.

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post #6 of 32 (permalink) Old Feb 22nd, 10, 07:49 PM Thread Starter
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Re: New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

You know, I was only planning on doing this conversion right now because I'm ordering a new rearend and need to choose between mono or multileaf perches. If I already need to order the conversion kit (that I'm assuming comes with perches?) can I just keep the mono setup for now and upgrade to multi at a later date (when I'm not bleeding money!)? What do you guys think?
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Re: New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

I don't know if you can get monoleafs to fit correctly in multileaf perches. It'll cost more down the road to get the perches cut off and buy new ones and have them welded on. You can also look into the JC Whitney three leaf springs that work with mono stuff.

However, if your car is like most once you take the stuff apart you may find all of it needs to be replaced anyway. If that's the case then it only makes sense to go ahead and get the multileaf stuff. It always costs more to do it down the road. ALWAYS.

When you order the rear it will come with the perches already installed so you should only need the leafs, multileaf install kit (not conversion kit), the spring eye perches, and the shock plates.

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Re: New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

I would have Moser weld in the final (multi) perches for sure. You can get the conversion kit (see link below) that doesn't include perches.
http://www.classicindustries.com/con...rchCatalogId=3

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I would have Moser weld in the final (mulit) perches for sure. You can get the conversion kit (see link below) that doesn't include perches.
http://www.classicindustries.com/con...rchCatalogId=3

Good option, but I'd just like to point out that kit is for '68-'69 and I don't believe the shock plates will not work on a '67 with non-staggered shocks.

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Good option, but I'd just like to point out that kit is for '68-'69 and I don't believe the shock plates will not work on a '67 with non-staggered shocks.
True. I would recommend upgrading to staggered shocks at that point in time.

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post #11 of 32 (permalink) Old Feb 22nd, 10, 08:25 PM Thread Starter
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Re: New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

Upgrading to staggered shocks sounds like more of a project than I really want to take on right at this moment. I assume, Steiner, that the kit you mentioned is for the 67?

What about this kit from Detroit Speed?
http://www.detroitspeed.com/productp...multi_prod.htm

Are these all more or less the same?
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Upgrading to staggered shocks sounds like more of a project than I really want to take on right at this moment. I assume, Steiner, that the kit you mentioned is for the 67?

What about this kit from Detroit Speed?
http://www.detroitspeed.com/productp...multi_prod.htm

Are these all more or less the same?
Maybe I am wrong on this one, but it's the shock plate the only difference between staggered vs. not staggered shock setup?

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post #13 of 32 (permalink) Old Feb 22nd, 10, 08:33 PM Thread Starter
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Maybe I am wrong on this one, but it's the shock plate the only difference between scattered vs. not scattered shock setup?
I have absolutely no clue! As you can probably tell from my posts, I'm new to most of this. Switching from non-staggered to staggered sounds like a big project. Again, I don't know. Is it that simple? Would it still only involve getting the new springs and conversion kit?
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Re: New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

What that kit does is just essentially make the perch deeper to fit the taller spring pack. The spacers would go on each side of the perch. If you want to save some coin it seems that may be a good way to do it but you wouldn't need to buy that kit until once you decided to install multileafs.

I cannot tell whether or not down the road if your existing spring eye brackets would fit multileaf springs though. Someone else surely knows. The ones they sell now are called "Multileaf spring eye brackets for '67-'69".

If I were you, I'd go ahead and take the rear end out and see what needs to be replaced before you start ordering parts. It's going to chap your hide if you decide to stay monoleaf and then find out that you have to buy the same stuff again when you decide to upgrade to multileaf.

This is just me but when I put in my Moser I did everything....springs, shocks, new brackets, new install kit. Mine was already a multileaf car and a '69 so I can't tell you whether or not your existing shock plates will work with multileaf perches. Also consider that when you upgrade you will most likely need the shock extenders or new shocks since the plate will be mounted further away from the upper shock mount than original.

Give it some time and surely someone who has done a '67 will chime in. Moser ain't gonna run out of rear ends.

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Re: New Rearend - Multi Leaf Conversion

Pretty sure it is indeed a very simple swap and you get the benefits of the staggered shocks. Check out the links below for more good info...

https://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=160003
https://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=174364
https://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=174169

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