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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old Oct 14th, 11, 04:36 PM Thread Starter
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Too much positive camber

After installing my Hotchkiss 2" lowering springs I noticed my wheels have about a quarter inch of positive camber when I measured it across the edge of the rim. I don't know how many degrees that amounts to but it sure looks like too much. Can I take out a shim and get it to move back in ? or isn't it that simple.
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Re: Too much positive camber

Any time you do front end work...it's a good idea to get an alignment

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Doug's correct, swapping front springs = next stop the alignment shop!

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Re: Too much positive camber

If weight is on wheels and the top of the tire is out, you need to add shims to reduce positive camber.add shims to both bolts to maintain caster ad to rear only to increase postive caster. There's not a really easy way to measure caster in your drive way without a guage and raduis plates. You can check camber with a carpenters level, you're looking to be plumb.

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Re: Too much positive camber

Jerry,

My '67 did exactly the same when I changed springs. A lot more shims needed to be added compared to the old springs. I don't know exactly how many yet cause I ran out of shims before I go it set.
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My '67 did exactly the same when I changed springs. A lot more shims needed to be added compared to the old springs. I don't know exactly how many yet cause I ran out of shims before I go it set.
Maybe this would be a good time for new control arms , I wonder if the tubular ones are designed to compensate for this or will they have to be shimmed way out too.

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Re: Too much positive camber

If you just let it down off of the floor jack it'll have a ton of pos camber because the suspension droops - you need to drive it around the block or roll it back and forth a few times.


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Re: Too much positive camber

Its been 2 weeks and about 100 miles.

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Maybe this would be a good time for new control arms , I wonder if the tubular ones are designed to compensate for this or will they have to be shimmed way out too.

Jerry – As the others have pointed out, after installing coil springs you should definitely get your Camaro re-aligned. Installing new tubular control arms before getting an alignment is a good way to save the cost of getting it aligned after installing them. Installing our tubular control arms would reduce shims for caster adjustment but they don’t negate the need for an alignment or having to shim them out to compensate for positive camber.
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Jerry – As the others have pointed out, after installing coil springs you should definitely get your Camaro re-aligned. Installing new tubular control arms before getting an alignment is a good way to save the cost of getting it aligned after installing them. Installing our tubular control arms would reduce shims for caster adjustment but they don’t negate the need for an alignment or having to shim them out to compensate for positive camber.
Thanks for installing our springs on your ’68!
You're welcome. I'm very happy with these springs it rides nice and not stiff at all. I notice some handling improvement as well. I was worried they would cause me to bottom out and flatten my headers but the opposite is true in fact I haven't bottomed out yet like I did with my worn out original coils.

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Jerry – That’s cool! Worn out original springs are amazingly ineffective and that’s move obvious when headers are involved.
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