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post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old Nov 17th, 11, 05:53 PM Thread Starter
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Steering wheel not aligned, W/Pic.

My buddy and I did the 3rd Gen gear box swap, new rag joint, new big block springs, new tilt coloumn install. Got everything installed and went to install the steering wheel. Wow, its not close at all. My buddy said the front end alignment will fix the problem.
Is there something we did wrong or will the alignment fix it. Here is a pic
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post #2 of 47 (permalink) Old Nov 17th, 11, 07:43 PM
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Re: Steering wheel not aligned, W/Pic.

Cool u have got this far and asked the question BEFORE screwing stuff up
Your freind is correct.
The rag joint stering wheel, pitman arm all fit on 1 way ONLY
the steering wheel has splines, with a flat area and so does the column shaft, as does the pitman arm....the steering and shaft wheel also has a line and a dot stamped to line up
A quick check...forgetting about where u wheels face for now, is the steering wheel horozonal, and the pitman arm straight forward (forget about 1/2way from lock to lock for now, this could be out because the front alignment is way out....)
If u use the indiactors and they work ok, then the auto return works correct left and right.
The steering whell is then clamped into this position and THEN the wheel alignment made to suit the steering wheel
Most other and new models/makes of cars the alignment done and the steering whell is then straightened on the splint to suit.

It is not uncommon that at some time in the cars life someone who doesnt know any better has taken the steering wheel off and lined up so is straight...THEN tightend down the steering wheel nut forcing the steering wheel onto the splines in the incorrect postion.
There for it is possble the steering wheel appears not to have a flat area in its splines any more.
Important note...DONOT bang yank orother wise use such methods to take the steering whell off...the chances are u will break any safety colaspable mechanisim in side the column resulting in bad fits around the consul and other headaches down the road

Buy an elcheapo chinese steering wheel puller..they are about $NZ12 thats about 8 to 10 bucks US.

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Re: Steering wheel not aligned, W/Pic.

I assume we are talking about a Gen I, 1969 Camaro since I can see that it has a locking steering column.

With your locking steering column there is very limited adjustment as to relocating the steering wheel on the steering column shaft. You will not be able to correct the steering wheel problem as you show in your picture by only moving the steering wheel.

Here is a paper on checking your steering system centering. It is very important that you start with the steering gear exactly centered as the car moves straight down the road. Then the rest of the steering components should line right up. Also, the steering column actually has a centering point as well. Otherwise your turn signals won't cancel equally from left and right turns.

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It is very important that you start with the steering gear exactly centered as the car moves straight down the road. Then the rest of the steering components should line right up
That can be confusing for the novice..Bottom line
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The steering whell is then clamped into this position and THEN the wheel alignment made to suit the steering wheel

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Before you head to the alignment shop, square everything up. Otherwise, you could end up with a nice alignment, but the steering stops after 1.5 turns to the left and 2.5 turns to the right, and/or a crooked Pitman, and/or a crooked steering wheel, etc. This is especially important for 69's which have the variable steering ratio boxes (the Pitman needs to be centered in it's travel range).

Start with the steering column shaft. There should be a mark on the driver's end of the steering shaft that points to 12:00.

Then install the steering wheel in the correct position.

Then make sure your Pitman is pointing straight (parallel to the car). If the rag joint is 180 degrees off, you'll have to loosen your steering column (the two big forward nuts) and the four bolts that hold the plate that surrounds the steering column just inside the firewall (and under the carpet and firewall pad). Then unbolt the rag and pull the column toward the driver about 3/4" to realign the rag (might be a two man job).

Now you should have a steering shaft that's 'clocked' correctly, a steering wheel that's aligned, and a Pitman that's straight and centered.

Next, get a long straight-edge (a 4 foot ruler or something) and align both front wheels as best you can. With the car on the ground, simply place the ruler on the sides of the front tires and adjust the tie-rods until the ruler is pointing at the outside of the rear tires.

Then, go get a front end alignment from a quality shop. Wouldn't hurt take a supply of shims with you.

Good luck!

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Re: Steering wheel not aligned, W/Pic.

The short answer....Yes... front-end alignment will fix.

Any time you do front-end work it's a good idea to get an alignment.

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The short answer....Yes... front-end alignment will fix.

Any time you do front-end work it's a good idea to get an alignment.
Wrong. The front wheels can be aligned perfectly with a crooked Pitman, and/or steering shaft that isn't clocked (phased) correctly, and/or a steering wheel that's off.
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Wouldn't hurt take a supply of shims with you.
We are only talking toe at the moment..getting into caster camber is another issue all together
One of my older posts covers this and what shim thickness added/removed from front/back changes caster /chamber a given amount.
If the alighnment guy doesn know this he will be chassing his butt all afternoon.

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Re: Steering wheel not aligned, W/Pic.

Does it look like the alignment mark on the column is at the 9:00 position instead of 12:00to anyone else ?
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Does it look like the alignment mark on the column is at the 9:00 position instead of 12:00to anyone else ?
Yep, and if so, it means the Pitman can't be centered (square to the car).
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Yep, and if so, it means the Pitman can't be centered (square to the car).
Which takes us full cicle
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the steering wheel has splines, with a flat area and so does the column shaft, as does the pitman arm....the steering and shaft wheel also has a line and a dot stamped to line up

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Re: Steering wheel not aligned, W/Pic.

the steering wheel shouldn't even be able to go over the plastic piece that holds the horn wire with the wheel that far off..

get that mark in the steering shaft pointing straight up, then pull the wheel and line the mark on the steering wheel hub with that.. lock the steering with the wheel pointed as close to straight as you can, then adjust the tie rods to make the wheels point straight ahead. this will be close enough to get it to an alignment shop..

you don't plan sincerity.
you have to make it up on the spot.

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Re: Steering wheel not aligned, W/Pic.

I agree with the above post. There are two things basically incorrect.

First of all the chzel mark on the end of the steering column steering shaft should be at the 12 o'clock position when the road wheels are pointing straight ahead. The chizel mark is roughly at the 10:30 position in your picture. I assume your road wheels are pointing straight ahead in your picture.

Also there is something wrong with the way the steering wheel is currently attached to the steering column steering shaft.

There should be a plastic tower and sticks up through the steering column locking plate where you connect your steering wheel horn wires. (The tower is also part of the turn signal cancelling cam).

That tower should be roughly at the 10 o'clock position with the wheels straight ahead. Now the steering wheel hub should have a matching chizel mark. When you align the steering shaft mark and the steering wheel hub mark, there should be a matching hole in the steering wheel hub for the horn tower. (There is a slot in the locking plate that will allow a limited amount of adjustment of the horn tower.) The steering wheel and hub should drop right on the steering column shaft and right over the plastic tower.
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Re: Steering wheel not aligned, W/Pic.

Jim,..is that you? I met you in San Antonio a couple of years ago,..you rebuilt a 73 Corvette Tilt-Tele steering column for me. It's working great (very slight issue with the horn going off if the steering wheel is telescoped in it's full forward position).

To the others,..Jim is the EF Hutton of Chevy steering columns from this era. When he speaks, others listen.

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Re: Steering wheel not aligned, W/Pic.

We are going in cicles..ENP the orginasl poster has not come back to comment on the pitman arm, steering wheel etc are installed correct, or any further info requires to give good advice as to the next step.
We are all having to use the word "assume"
Till he comes back

I assume your road wheels are pointing straight ahead in your picture.
Assume the pitman is in correct postion
Assume the steering wheel is on the shaft in correct postion
Assume the steering wheel is mid lock to lock.
All moot pionts till ENP comes back.

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