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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old Jan 13th, 12, 03:59 PM Thread Starter
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Tall Ball Joints or New Spindles???

I've been reading over information on these new taller spindles, and taller ball joints. Both adverstised to correct the bump steer issue Camaro's have. I'm wondering with my current set up, which one would be best?

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17"x7" Intro Rims 4.75" BS
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Re: Tall Ball Joints or New Spindles???

I would go with the ball joints. Cheaper! Aren't there some problems with running the spindles? I'm sure the experts will chime in with their opinions and real world results.

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I would go with the ball joints. Cheaper! Aren't there some problems with running the spindles? I'm sure the experts will chime in with their opinions and real world results.
I know drop spindles are not good, since it causes the tie rod to hit the wheel in most cases. I was looking at these Tall-No Drop spindles offered from L&H Kustoms.

http://lhkustoms.com/products.htm

But at $750 it's pretty spendy, especially compared to the taller ball joints. I was also curious about the "Z/28 Short" Steering Arms. They say those help reduce bump steer, and can work with stock spindles for $325.

Anybody use these with stock spindles?

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Re: Tall Ball Joints or New Spindles???

The tall ball joints are going to help with camber gain in cornering. The bump steer is a different issue/cure. The Guldstrand mod helps correct the camber gain also. I'm not sure if you can do the tall joints and Guldstrand mod at the same time.

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The tall ball joints are going to help with camber gain in cornering. The bump steer is a different issue/cure. The Guldstrand mod helps correct the camber gain also. I'm not sure if you can do the tall joints and Guldstrand mod at the same time.

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You are correct Jeff. Only one or the other. Either the G mod or tall ball joints, not both! I believe Proforge has come out with some tie rods to help correct the bump steer. I saw it over on pro-touring.net.
Here you go http://www.pro-touring.com/showthrea...o-and-Firebird

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You are correct Jeff. Only one or the other. Either the G mod or tall ball joints, not both! I believe Proforge has come out with some tie rods to help correct the bump steer. I saw it over on pro-touring.net.
Here you go http://www.pro-touring.com/showthrea...o-and-Firebird
Thanks for the link! For $49 each I think that's the way to go. I do like those L&H Kustoms "Z/28 Short" Steering Arms, but I can put the difference towards some subframe connectors.

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Re: Tall Ball Joints or New Spindles???

Jason, if you are looking at the Proforged units, they are $49 each.
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Jason, if you are looking at the Proforged units, they are $49 each.
Oops that's what I ment. Thanks!

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Re: Tall Ball Joints or New Spindles???

i just installed a set of those tie rod ends on mine ,nice piece i wi ll upload some pictures tomorrow. i used right stuff upper and lowers and qa's . this set up can lower the car as much as you want, will post pictures tomorrow
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i just installed a set of those tie rod ends on mine ,nice piece i wi ll upload some pictures tomorrow. i used right stuff upper and lowers and qa's . this set up can lower the car as much as you want, will post pictures tomorrow
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Re: Tall Ball Joints or New Spindles???

here are the pictures of the new susp. using the long outter tie rod ends,lots of clearance to the wheel. it is 15 by 8 ,st. lights.
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Re: Tall Ball Joints or New Spindles???

Thanks for the pics Ern!!! Beautiful looking car you've got.

What's the back spacing on your front wheels? Also did the ball joints come that color, or you painted the steering components to match your a arms? And what coil overs are you running?

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Re: Tall Ball Joints or New Spindles???

jason the ft back spacing is 4 and a half, the control arms are base clear grey and the spindles are powercoated silver , the tie rods come powder black, i am using qa,s with 550 springs . they work really well
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here are the pictures of the new susp. using the long outter tie rod ends,lots of clearance to the wheel. it is 15 by 8 ,st. lights.
Hi there,

I could be missing something, but those don't look like our tall outer tie rod ends. Our tie rods are black e-coated (similar to a powder coating) and those look like they are raw steel.

Are you sure you put them on? If you bought a front end kit from someone else and also bought our tie rods, it's possible that you installed the regular tie rods and our's are sitting in a box somewhere.
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to proforged, if you look a little closer, i had them painted base clear grey to match the control arms and put covers over the boots . they are a nice piece, just wanted a dif. color
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