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post #1 of 64 (permalink) Old Jul 5th, 03, 08:44 PM Thread Starter
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I would like to find out how many people would be interested in upper tubular control arms for first gen camaro's that have additional caster built in, powder coated colour of your choice (five to choose from), stainless steel cross shafts, delrin bushings, urethane bump stop and moog ball joint for $550.00 Canadian which converts to $400.00 US.

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post #2 of 64 (permalink) Old Jul 5th, 03, 09:01 PM
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Dont know, gotta see them first.

But I am sure if of a sound design and workmanship, they will sell faster than you could probably produce them.
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Well thanks chicane67. I have just received five sets of arms and I'm waiting for them to come back from the powder coaters and then they will be ready for assembly. It took awhile to come up with shafts that I like. I drove the machinest nuts. He CNC'd 5 protoypes for me.

I'm hoping to have them ready by the end of next week.

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Get close up, high resolution pictures of a set of arms before they get power coated. You are going to need these to be able to sell them to the more peticular customers.

And to cover your *** and his, you should make up a disclaimer and include a product information sheet to ship with your product.
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Thanks Chicane67. I have taken photo's of each part prior to assembly but not raw. What would be the reason for high res photo's prior to powder coating. I personally don't mind I'm just curious. As for your other comments, I have liability insurance and have included a disclaimer and detailed instructions of how to install them. I'm in the process of creaing my own web site which will show the arms and all parts individually.

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post #6 of 64 (permalink) Old Jul 6th, 03, 02:41 AM
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Mountie,
I have a few questions. How much caster is baked in, and is it adjustable (besides with normal shims)? Is the overall length from bushinh centerline to ball joint the same?

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post #7 of 64 (permalink) Old Jul 6th, 03, 07:35 AM
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What is the material used in the arm tubing Mountie?
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post #8 of 64 (permalink) Old Jul 6th, 03, 08:02 AM Thread Starter
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Two sets of arms were made using two types of tubing.

#1 Chrome moly tubing

#2 DOM drawn over mandrel 1.25 OD
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It would be a good idea to provide these photos on a web page or to post them here on TC. It will satisfy the curiosity of those more experienced with fabrication/racing this chassis and it can/would be a great advertisment for your product. It really has to do with workmanship issues. Not that I dont trust you, the design or the gentleman performing the actual welding or assembly, but I have seen it all concerning every other attempt made so far (Fatman, Hotchkis, Guldstrand and many more) and need to screwtinize a given product until I am satisified with what I see or experience. I will state this because most will not.

There is a good reason why there are only two control arms for the 1st Gen that are actually being used.

And you have definately peaked our collective interest, thats for sure. I'd be interested in a DOM set.......
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post #10 of 64 (permalink) Old Jul 6th, 03, 01:32 PM Thread Starter
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Well chicane67 here is a link to a single page to view the arms as they are. They do not have the bushings or shafts in yet. I will have that done at the end of the week. Also as the page indicates the plates will be laser cut.

http://members.shaw.ca/toddbalaban/

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Nice lookin parts so far Todd.

Can you provide any geometery diagrams? And, can you TIG a set or two out of DOM?
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Well chicane67 I have five completed sets out of the DOM 1.25 OD as it is thicker wall and I feel it is a stronger arm. The only down side I see from this is that these arms are only 3 ounces lighter that the stock so it is not to much of a weight savings but it is very strong. It will look a lot better with the Stainless steel cross shafts and the alum bushings that are lined with delrin.

In case you don't know Delrin is a very hard type of like plastic product but is self lubricating. Delrin or Filled Acetals have better wear (up to 5X's better,) have increased self-lubrication, and have lower coefficient of friction

I should also mention that the bushings are greasable with zerk fittings.

Take it easy!

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Weight is not an issue. Strength and geometry are.....

Can or will you TIG weld a set made of DOM? I would be very interested in a set of this nature. I would also perfer them to be bare and un-painted/un-coated if that wouldnt be a problem.

Yes, I am very familiar with Delrin and its derivitives. Is the bushing encapsulated on the ends? Have you run into any coldflux problems with the Delrin material if they are not encapsulated? How much roadtime do you have on any given set of these?
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Chicane67 you have a lot of detailed questions which I would be happy to answer for you but why don't you Email me at [email protected].

But to answer your immeadiate questions. I have Delrin washers on either end then grade eight thrust washers finaly stover nuts to tie it all together. We have ran the bearing continuosly for several hundred hours with no signs of wear.

I again will be willing to provide more detail when my site is up or again you can Email me.

Finally I would be happy to provide you the arms un-coated but bead blasted, however as it is metal I could not be responsable for any surface rust during shipping so if that is not an issue that would be fine.

Thanks for all your questions!

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post #15 of 64 (permalink) Old Jul 7th, 03, 02:05 AM
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mountie, i am interested in a set of upper control arms, i am not sure which i would want though!!! anyway what colors are you going to offer them in?? also is that 400 including shipping, and if not what do you expect the shipping to be, thanks
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