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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old Jul 12th, 03, 03:36 PM Thread Starter
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I just spent the last half hour or so looking for images of the infamous front brake lines for 69 brakes on a 68. Here is the best I've found, from click or novaderrick, I don't recall.

https://www.camaros.net/cgi-bin/forum...c;f=7;t=005170

My problem is the hose geometery on the subframe. When I got the car, someone basically hand bent the lines which were only anchored on the upper A-arm. In other words - rigged. I've got the factory brackets ( which were originally mounted on the side of the subframe, but the hoses seem too long.

So I guess I need to figure out a different hose to use or custom design a new bracket that will set on top of the frame. To get the right geometry, the hard-line to hose union would have to be just inside the frame rail. That seems about right considering that position is almost in line with the upper A-arm fulcrum.

If I install the bracket in the factory position, the hose will have a radical bend in it which seems too stressful for the hose.

I could provide pictures, but have no where to post them. I could also provide measurements if it will help confirm the setup. Fabbing a bracket is not big deal, but I'd like to have as the factory intended if possible.

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Dnult,
Here are new aftermarket brackets: I don't know which side is which yet. My manuals are at work. The power disc hoses are 15 5/8" long, and they have a sleeve about 6" from the tubing end for the center bracket. I hope this helps.

http://home.rochester.rr.com/hwystar...eBrackets1.jpg

http://home.rochester.rr.com/hwystar/HoseBracket2.jpg

http://home.rochester.rr.com/hwystar/HoseBrackets3.jpg

http://home.rochester.rr.com/hwystar/HoseBrackets4.jpg

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Thanks for the bracket pictures. They did help some. BTW Joe, your 15 5/8" figure is very close to what I have including the clamp at ~ 6".

I have been confused by the conflicting information regarding hose mounting. Should the line be anchored to the upper A-arm, or the side of the subframe when using disk brakes? I've seen testimonies contrary to both and would like to know what works the best - least chance of damaging a hose. The A-arm mount sounds like they'd be more robust in terms of hose life. What do you think?

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On disc, they get attached on top of the frame and then to the rear edge of the upper a-arm. That sleeve in the middle of the hose should be right where the bracket mounting hole is in the side of the arm.
Jim (Click) has a shot of his on here. I'll try to find it. He posted it not long ago.

Here's one of them:
https://www.camaros.net/forum/ultimat...=004726#000001

https://www.camaros.net/cgi-bin/forum...c;f=7;t=004065

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That second picture you posted was a little closer to what I had hoped to find. I wish someone had a top-down picture of the bracket and mounting arrangement with the inner fender removed.

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I do!!

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I do!!

My car, recently rebuilt the whole front end.
Awwww Some! Brian. Thanks, I really appreciate it.

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You da man Brian!
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Here is a shot of the hose that I am using, bought new hoses from Kragen for about $30/ea


Here is what EVERYTHING powdercoated looks like, this includes everything from the control arm/spindles to the dust shields and steering arms. Wonder how long I can keep it looking this good!

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Exceeding Expectations Brian [img]graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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