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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old Nov 22nd, 01, 04:08 PM Thread Starter
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Just wondering if anyone has ever installed the full subframe connectors like the ones depicted on Carl Casanova's webpage and sold by Detroit Speed.

I was wondering if anyone made a connector which travelled beyond the torque box and went straight through to the rear frame rail.. and end at the area where the frame rails start moving upwards...Wouldn't this tighten-up the body even more and strength the rear frame area?

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What's a torque box?
Carl's looks really good to me.
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The torque box (mustang terminology:eek is the area on the body which houses the leaf spring perch. Carl's design is lovely, but I was wondering that maybe the design could be extented further, and attached to the frame rail, some how,...just a though..
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I asked this question myself and e-mailed Carl before and he told me that it would be awkwerd loking because 2 by3 tubinh needs more modification to fit over rear frame rails and Carl's toughts were that realy not nececary.
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There was some subframe connector discussion mixed in with this thread. https://www.camaros.net/forum/Forum2/HTML/002079.html Sounds like the same design you are talking about.
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I'm just a copycat. Steilow was the first I knew about, and I helped Joseph do his before I jumped in.

I think that if you are going to try and stiffen the system any more a roll cage is necessary. That will really make a difference.

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Carl,
Any noticable difference in the car after the connectors were put in?
Most people do the connectors and solid mounts the same time. I'm looking for someone who did only connectors but had the solid mounts allready.
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David,

For 15 years it was on the stock rubber mounts. The car handled like a bucket of water.

For the first 18 months after it was restored it had Energy Suspension polyurethane mounts.

Subframe connectors and solid mounts were installed at the same time.

It's not the order that you're looking for but it did make quite a difference. Fewer squeeks too.

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I agree with Carl about the roll cage. Extending the connector past the torque box would not increase stability because that is where the frame rail gets its rigidity. If you want more strength for the rear frame rail a roll cage will have to be placed over the front and rear spring hangers as Guldstrand recommends in his TransAm Camaro Prep manual.

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I switched from "shot" rubber bushings to connectors and solid bushings and the difference was dramatic! Pulling into my driveway the car would twist, squeak and moan. Now, no sound and the twist has mostly disappeared, much more rigid.

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