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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old Dec 5th, 01, 12:23 AM Thread Starter
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Hey guys, my winter project is to rebuild the suspension in my 69 396.

I currently have sagging SB front coils and bent 5 leafs (from the too-short lift bars hitting just in front of the eye). The car sits about 2-3" low in front and 1 1/2 -2" low in the rear from stock. I like the stance (pics in sig) but want the front up about an inch, as well as improve the handling. (Road racer at heart)

I'm looking at putting in polygraphite bushings/ball joints, Hotchkis hollow bar, Hotchkis 2" drop BB coils and Hotchkis 1 1/2" drop 3 leafs.

I'm looking for real world input from folks that have these in their cars.

Are the 600# coils too stiff?
Do the 3 leafs work as well as the 5 leaf? Will they let me remove the lift bars? (I don't race, but don't want wheel hop either).
I currently have poly body mounts. Will all these mods make the car too harsh to enjoy on the street? I want it to be taut, but not ride like a cement truck.

I have studied David's web page and searched the posts and welcome any/all input.

Thanks in advance for your help.


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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old Dec 5th, 01, 02:20 AM
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I don't mean to piggyback on your question JoeG, but I came in this morning to post the exact same question. I have poly bushings coming and need to order springs. I have a small block car. I don't want a harsh ride, but I want the lower stance. Firm is OK, solid axle harsh is not. A friend just put 6 cyl. springs on his SB car and it still sat too high. It doesn't seem right to buy new original springs and start cutting coils.

What are these (or other brands) springs really like????

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Hey guys,

I have exactly what you are looking at getting. In three words...I love it! Stiffer ride, not not harsh! I have not had any wheel hop yet with the three-leaf. Not saying I never will, just not yet. I did get wheel hop with the original 5-leaf. I am in the process of getting pictures of my car to show Boodlefoof the stance of my car. I can email them to you also. Email me at [email protected] if you want to see the stance.




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Thanks JayBird. I want to see exactly how low they will get me.

As far as the harsh ride, my KYB shocks give me a harsh ride already... but they give decent handling.
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Thanks Jay. I sent you an E-mail. I look forward to seeing it!
Looks like a lot of us have the same questions!

Did you have to cut the coils or modify anything to get the height you wanted?

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Pictures should be available on Friday. I'll send them to you guys ASAP. I did not cut anything, just installed them and thats it.

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awesome.
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I have the Hotchkis front springs and swaybar on my 69 as well. I went with the Vette Brakes composite rear springs, though. (before Hotchkis released their rear springs)I like the VB springs so far, even though I haven't had much seat time since my car is gutted on the inside as well as a few other "not roadworthy" items still undone. I live in the same town as JayBird and have seen his car before and after the Hotchkis stuff. It looks VERY good. The VB springs are a little higher in the rear, but that will probably settle after the car is closer to being finished and driven some. Anyway, the Hotchkis stuff is some very good stuff and I would reccommend it.
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Cool stuff Jay Web. I have been kind of debating between the hotchkis rears and the VetteBrakes composite springs with a lowering block. Still awhile before I will be ready to do that job anyway....
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Hey guys, do you mind posting some measuments? I'm especially interested in the rear on the 3 leaf. So... from the center wheel hub (to avoid tire dimensions) to the bottom of the fender opening (vertically straight up).

On my '67 w/ 2" dropped coils from PST & stock mono's

Front..........13 5/8"

Rear...........15 1/2"

I'd like to get the rear down, but not lower than the front.

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I'll check and try to post them this weekend.

Pictures are coming fellas. A friend of mine is downloading the pictures and you should get them by the weekend.



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I just sent you guys pics.

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post #13 of 19 (permalink) Old Dec 7th, 01, 08:53 AM
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Thanks JayBird, Looks nice. Well, I think I am sold on the ride height that the Hotchkis system gives. If only I had some more money....
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Jaybird- Did you get my e-mail asking for the pics? Just curious because I'm probably going to be buying those springs and leafs within the next few months.
Thanks,
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post #15 of 19 (permalink) Old Dec 7th, 01, 11:03 PM Thread Starter
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Jaybird, got the pics. Thanks. Great looking ride you have. Perfect stance; just what I'm looking for.
Was the installation difficult? I've done a lot of car stuff, but haven't changed springs or ball joints yet.
Looks like I'm going to learn!

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