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post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old Jun 27th, 03, 03:34 AM Thread Starter
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You guys are an invaluable source of help, but I need a little more. I have limited money to spend ($900-1000) and I plan on rebuilding the front suspension in my 69 in August. Here are my questions:

1. It seems that solid body bushings are the way to go. Many seem to like the poly bushings, also. How hard will the car ride? I am not looking for pro-touring but good handling is a plus. I do not want to rattle the teeth out of my head.

2. The Performance Suspension Components front end kit (poly) is cheaper than OEM rubber either through a place like Ricks or local parts store. Is it any good and are the metal parts quality stuff like Moog?

3. Are standard off the shelf shocks like Monroe or Gabriel (from the local Fleet Farm store) adequate or am I better off spending money on KYB's (or equivalent)?

4. How difficult are the body bushing bolts to get out? I will assume they are rusted in, therefore I thought a breaker bar, 1" pipe, and some Kroil would get them out. Do you need to pull up the carpeting to get at the nuts so they can be slobbered with penetrating oil? I don't remember from when I had the car apart before.

5. Finally, if the subframe needs rust repair at the mounting points, does it have to come completely out? I am not in a position right now to do that.

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$1000 is a great start. You shouldn't have to spend that much just to rebuild the suspension and fix the subframe. I can tell you're like me and looking for the best components for the least amount of money. I bought all aftermarket components that included things like springs, swaybar, subframe connectors and didn't spend anywhere's near $1000. I had to repair all four frame mounts which cost next to nothing because I have a welder and Lowes is right up the street. I also have a garage to work in and it sounds like you are limited in that respect, if I read you right.

1. Either one you choose will be an improvement. Is it a daily driver or weekend ride? If you drive it a lot, maybe poly body mounts would be the way to go since solids are just that....solid, and will transmit more road to your butt.

2. Don't know.... I went with Prothane bushings. I'm putting my faith in their quality and know others that have used them and can vouche for them. Some kits are made up of MOOG\TRW parts, just like the local auto parts store will sell you.

3. Again, you're not going to be pro-touring it or carving the corners at 75mph? Do a search here on KYB shocks and what others think of their ride. From what I can gather, a Monroe or other common shock is the same thing.

4. If you already had the subframe out before, it shouldn't be hard at all to get the bolts out again. You don't HAVE TO take the carpet out unless the nut's under the seats simply won't break loose. If they're rusted together and a breaker-bar won't help, you may end up cutting the heads off, but like I said, if they've been out before.....

5. If the subframe mounts need repair, you won't have a choice but to roll it out from under there. I would at least want to clean them up and rust-proof them before installing new mount bushings. You may be lucky and they'll be in good shape. All you'll have to do it get some sandpaper in between the body and frame and spray some rust-proofer on the area. Take a good look at the mount points on the body also. They get just as rusty as the frame mount points. If you have to replace the hardware for the bushings, you can get good grade 5 or 8 stuff from the hardware store or a commercial equipment type supplier. I dumped all the original hardware, those square nuts, the bolts and all and went with 3/4" hardware.

Just keep reading the forums..... think of it as studying for a final. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Thanks for the reply HwyStarJoe. Perhaps I should have been more clear. I have never had the subframe out of the car. I do not think that it or the front suspension has ever been touched. I have read that changing the body bushings is a relatively easy job if all conditions are good (no repair needed). I know the money number sounded a little steep, but I also was going to do the brakes and wheel bearings at the same time while it was all apart. Has anyone ever used Fine Lines brake lines sold through Ricks? I was going to try them.

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I also forgot to mention new front springs, too.

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I just bought their complete '69 disc brake OEM style kit. Couldn't beat the price. Of course I haven't installed it yet but I liked the quality. One thing I didn't like is how they packed it. Make sure you're the one that receives the box to make sure it isn't crushed and the longest lines aren't bent.

MOOG replacement springs aren't hard to find. Do a search through this forum for Moog and you'll get a lot of info. Also, there's a few aftermarket manufacturers that make direct replacament and lowering type springs.

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