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post #1 of 4 (permalink) Old Dec 16th, 16, 06:41 PM Thread Starter
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Is this a good start for a bone stock car?

My 69 Firebird coupes suspension is in bone stock form currently aside from a better ratio power steering box and Wilwood front brakes. Nothing other than factory spec replacement stuff.

I am only a couple hours north of Hotchkis here in CA and I'm thinking about having their installation center install the following for me:

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I was also going to have them do as much welding on the SFCs to the car as possible. I plan on driving down on a brand new set of tires so they can get the alignment dialed in perfectly too.

Since this is their complete system, I presume they know exactly what alignment specs are the best for each type of driving application, correct? Or should I still refer to what the Pozzi's have suggested on their web page?

Any other suggestions/comments? I'm wide open to opinions right now. I plan on doing this in late January/early February so I have plenty of time to bench race different options. I'm not planning on doing anything like the Optima challenge, I would like it setup for very spirited mountain canyon driving, very twisty turns with speeds between 35mph-95mph (speeds based on having the right setup already). But when in town I drive the car daily so I don't want to be *too* aggressive with my camber and wear the inside of my front tires crazy fast either.

Thanks! Alex


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post #2 of 4 (permalink) Old Dec 16th, 16, 11:00 PM
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Re: Is this a good start for a bone stock car?

The Hotchkis stuff is great. We started with them and were very successful. You might ask them about their Hotchkis/Fox shocks, they should be better than the Bilstein shocks in that kit.
Shocks are the key to getting a good ride. The Bilstein's are not bad but the Hotchkis Fox are better.

Hotchkis knows what alignment specs to use, they will be close to mine. Make sure your subframe to unibody mounts are the solid ones. If you are going to weld in subframe connectors, you want solid mounts. They won't affect ride quality.
The Hotchkis system rides pretty good but you will feel tar strips or potholes more. To get great handling, your tires need to be wide and high performance, plus on the optimum width rims.

I think the rear shock brace is of limited benefit. The handle bars make steering inputs happen faster by reducing torsional flex of the subframe.

The other system I like is the Ride Tech Street Grip. It's aimed more at street driving and the lightweight composite leaf springs dampen road shocks and reduce rear unsprung weight for a better ride. Their shocks are Fox based with Ride Tech valving and are great. The single adjust shocks allow you to set them softer for a better ride and turn them up for an autocross or canyon carving. The Tru-Turn steering linkage fixes the bad bump steer Camaros and Firebirds have but 69 Firebirds have different steering linkage than 67-68 Firebirds or 67-69 Camaros, so I'm not sure if they have a Tru-Turn for you if you still have the Pontiac engine. Otherwise you could convert to Camaro linkage. The 69 Firebird linkage was lowered to clear the engine.

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post #3 of 4 (permalink) Old Dec 17th, 16, 05:05 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Is this a good start for a bone stock car?

David, thanks allot for the advice and taking your time to reply, really appreciate it!

I'll for sure ask for the Fox shocks, good tip. I planned on solid mounts but now I'll be sure to get them installed before driving down there. I haven't decided on wheels and tires yet and until then will just be on the stock Pontiac Rally IIs with new 245/60 tires. I know the handling will vastly improve when I get good tires, the BG Goodrichs are junk for a performance tire for sure. I though about the rear shock brace as much for keeping the top mounts from flexing as much as torsional stability. My car doesn't have rust there but I figured being 50yrs old the metal could just use the help and I don't mind loosing the trunk space. But if it's pointless I'll save the money.

I'll be sure to look into the Ride Tech stuff, their site says there is a dealer for them in my town so I'm sure they can do the install, although competence is a rare thing in my town. Where I live it's all circle track and drag racing, no one is an expert on setting up suspension for road racing per se. I had no idea the 69 Firebird linkage was a beast completely unto it's own to clear the engine, good fact to know!

Thanks allot! After this initial upgrade I'll be doing, I'll be attacking my rear end next replacing the numbers matching 3.23 8.2" BOP rear that I installed an Auburn posi into for an aftermarket Ford 9" from Quick Performance most likely. I thought about an IRS setup but I'm going to be pushing 700ft/lbs N/A and another 200hp on nitrous for drag strip runs with slicks and I'm not sure if any of the IRS setups are up to that kind of drag strip abuse. I'd like to put a friend that owns a Hellcat in his place on the strip but still go around corners properly

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