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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old Apr 11th, 17, 09:52 AM Thread Starter
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Looking for a rear sway bar

Tooling around in my 69 Sunday I got to thinking, I wonder if a rear sway bar would help the handling of this car? Going around corners is an exercise in holding on for dear life. Granted, the bias plys I'm running don't help but I really like the way they look and they're way too new (even though they've been on for the past 16 years they have less than 1500 miles on them) to swap for radials. I thought a rear sway bar was a factory option in 69 but none of the restoration parts warehouses seem to have anything that doesn't include a complete kit with front and rear bars with all the mounting hardware. At +$800, that's more than I wanted to spend.

So anyone running a rear sway bar on their 69? If so, what are you using? Keep in mind, I'm not looking to go full out autocross, so I don't want to start adding frame rail bracing and what-not. I just wanted to add a factory type sway bar to improve cornering a little bit.

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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old Apr 11th, 17, 09:58 AM Thread Starter
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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

HUH, I just double checked, Year One DOES have a rear sway bar under part number AD226BLK. Don't know how I missed that. Still kind of curious if anyone else has added a rear SB to their First Gen.

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post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old Apr 11th, 17, 11:18 AM
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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

Does the car oversteer or understeer? Most first gens running small bias ply tires do not need a sway bar in my experience. The sway bar will also increase your effective rear spring rate and ride will get stiffer.

16 year old tires should be replaced regardless of miles. They are unsafe IMHO.

Hopefully David Pozzi will comment.

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post #4 of 20 (permalink) Old Apr 11th, 17, 12:03 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

It definitely understeers, and to use a NASCAR term just doesn't feel like it's "in the track" (road). It's felt like that since the restoration's been done 16-17 years ago, it's not deteriorated.

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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

for 68s and 69s, the rear sway bar was no longer needed due to the staggered shocks.

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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

I just installed the Hotchkis rear sway bar on my 69 vert. I must say what a nice quality product. It has a support bar that attaches to the driver and passenger rear frame rails tying everything together. The car is a work in progress so I cant comment on it driving wise. In another thread the Hotchkis sway bar was highly recommended for a convertible, making the car solid and limiting flex.

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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

I have the Hotchkis rear swaybar on my 69 coupe. The package does come with a frame brace, which is where the drop-links for the swaybar are attached.
The swaybar definitely helps during cornering IMO. But with your bias-ply tires, it may not make much of a difference.

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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

A rear bar would be the last place I looked to improve the handling of a 1st gen camaro. Also, our characterization of "not in the track" doesn't give anyone enough information to help you.
All I can tell you is this:
550-600# front springs, 1 1/8 hollow front bar and relocated upper control arm mounts (or tall UBJs) paired with a forward biased 210-180# rear leaf and good shocks will produce a remarkably good handling Camaro. Next step would be to address the bump steer with an adjustable height tie rod end.

99.9% of the time, any other approach is just conspicuous consumption.
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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

A rear sway bar might not do anything for a hardtop, but I noticed an improvement after I put one on my 68 convertible. But I guess anything you do to a convertible can only improve handling and structural rigidity... I found an Addco kit a few years ago on ebay with 1-1/4 front and 13/16 rear swaybars for about $200.

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post #10 of 20 (permalink) Old Apr 12th, 17, 11:03 AM
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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

I took the rear sway bar off and didn't notice much of a difference. I did notice a nice difference once my car was aligned properly and adding -.5 camber.
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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

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part number AD226BLK
I would wager that is an ADDCO sway bar. I installed ADDCO bars probably early 80's. Makes a real difference. BUT with bias plies you have may be a mistake. It may stay so flat that you don't have the weight transfer to keep from spinning. JMHO

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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

With no knowledge of spring rates or front sway bar (or anything), how can anyone recommend a rear sway bar? What ailment are you proscribing a rear sway bar to fix?
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Definitely read this before you make any changes.

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post #14 of 20 (permalink) Old Apr 12th, 17, 07:38 PM
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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

I have to agree with Wendell ^, OP might want to upgrade his suspension in other areas first before adding a rear sway bar. But I guess it all depends if the car is set-up for originality or cruising comfort. My rear sway bar was the last suspension upgrade.
Maybe shelve the bias ply's for the shows and upgrade with some radial's and cheap Summit rally's as another upgrade, just saying............its your car so you decide.
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Re: Looking for a rear sway bar

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A rear bar would be the last place I looked to improve the handling of a 1st gen camaro. Also, our characterization of "not in the track" doesn't give anyone enough information to help you.
All I can tell you is this:
550-600# front springs, 1 1/8 hollow front bar and relocated upper control arm mounts (or tall UBJs) paired with a forward biased 210-180# rear leaf and good shocks will produce a remarkably good handling Camaro. Next step would be to address the bump steer with an adjustable height tie rod end.

99.9% of the time, any other approach is just conspicuous consumption.
What I meant about not in the track was simply the car feels like it's on the edge of a 4 wheel slide sideways mid turn....maybe my NASCAR term wasn't the right term to use. I guess what I'm looking to do is eliminate some of the body roll and that feeling that all four wheels are about to break loose any second around a turn. Anyway based on the response you guys gave I need to look in other places. You guys have given me some great suggestions, I can see a rear sway bar isn't the answer. I have some homework to do. Thank you.

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