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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old Oct 23rd, 17, 06:35 PM Thread Starter
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Hi All…
Hey thanks to those that got back to me about issues with my Hurst shifter. The problem is now sorted.
The next issue is I fitted a bunch of new steering parts (Moog) to my car along with a new Borgeson Universal Saginaw 525 Manual Steering Box (920040) and now the steering is crazy heavy. I believe that everything has been fitted up correctly, but wow the steering is like 50% heavier that than stock. Any help will be greatly appreciated….
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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old Oct 23rd, 17, 07:15 PM
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Re: Heavy Steering with new parts

That is a 16:1 box and is likely the cause of the stiff steering. I think the stock box is 24:1. Hopefully David Pozzi will offer up an opinion.

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Re: Heavy Steering with new parts

Hi Don and thank you for the reply.
The reasons why I went with the Borgeson was firstly, the 16:1 ratio and secondly, I was told by many that it would be much lighter than the stock steering box.
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That is a 16:1 box and is likely the cause of the stiff steering. I think the stock box is 24:1. Hopefully David Pozzi will offer up an opinion.

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I think Don's right, going from 24:1 to 16:1 is a big jump and you'd feel it for sure. Are you sure you did not change any of the geometry with the other parts you changed that might be causing your steering to bind? Before I switched to power steering, my N44 manual box was abour 20:1 I think and it was a real pain if not moving so I can imagine how heavy your 16:1 must be.

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Agree, quite the reduction in gear ratio, plus, the wider the tire doesn't help either, more friction.
Also, if wise aftermarket wheels on with less back spacing, more friction added to above statement.

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Re: Heavy Steering with new parts

That box is as fast as the stock power steering, so yes, it's going to be tough to steer. Wider tires, or high amounts of positive caster will make it worse.

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post #7 of 13 (permalink) Old Oct 26th, 17, 06:26 PM Thread Starter
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Hi to all that replied to my heavy steering issue, Thank you .... a big thank you to David Pozzi.
Problem sorted with some caster adjustment. Cheers all round.
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Hi David Pozzi....
I just check out your website after reading your post on my heavy steering issue. fantastic and thank you for sharing the information that you have gathered of the vast years. Sean
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Hi Everett#2390, I took my car to a front end clinic and ended up with the below. The steering came up well and is a lot easier to turn, but in saying this I must be getting old because I am now thinking that I may convert to power steering. My car is a manual with 530 HP.

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Hi Everett#2390, I took my car to a front end clinic and ended up with the below. The steering came up well and is a lot easier to turn, but in saying this I must be getting old because I am now thinking that I may convert to power steering. My car is a manual with 530 HP.
Looks like they tried to give you an alignment to factory specs. Next to no caster and positive camber.

Most guys try to use more updated alignment specs with modern radial tires. David Pozzi has recommendations on his site.

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Hi Don, yes I did read David’s notes and I was very impressed with all the information that he has made publicly available on his website. There are not many people in this world that would do this. The guy needs to be in the Camaro hall of fame……
When I took my car to the clinic, I asked the chap to read the notes that I had extracted from David’s website. In all fairness, the chap did say that they went to factory settings and to return the car after a couple of weeks of driving to reset the front end to David’s settings.
I will re-post when I have returned the car for David’s settings.
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