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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old Jan 29th, 18, 06:18 PM Thread Starter
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Global West vs. Hotchkis

I'm going to upgrade my multi-leaf springs to combat my axle hop problem.

Does anyone have suggestions or opinions on which manufacturer makes a better leaf spring to fix my wheel hop problem.

The hotchkis costs 450$ and comes with the shackles and bushings.

The global west costs a total of $560 for the leaf springs and del-a-lum shackle kit.

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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old Jan 29th, 18, 06:23 PM
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Why do you believe a spring change will combat wheel hop/axle wrap?
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South side lift bars? Kinda old school, but have worked in the past. Half the price of those springs.

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Re: Global West vs. Hotchkis

I'm with John.

Multi-leafs (with staggered shocks) didn't help the 1968-'69 Camaro from the factory control wheel hop if you had a high torque motor. Slapper bars or a pipe inside of a pipe where the only things that worked to control wheel hop back in the sixties if you had leaf springs. The 1970-'81 Camaro used multi-leaf springs that where pigeon toed (front eye pointed into the frame while the back pointed out) to combat wheel hop that were only mildly more successful than the first gen's suspension.

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Why do you believe a spring change will combat wheel hop/axle wrap?
I'm not talking about replacing my stock leaf springs with another stock leaf spring.

The global West L2 spring I'm looking at claims the following...

When using leaf springs from Global West Suspension, they will eliminate wheel hop during launch! Wheel hop can be a result of many factors; however, springs have a great deal to do with it. Our forward segment of the leaf is designed to control rap up, which if left unchecked, it will cause the leaf to load and unload, resulting in wheel hop.

The hotchkis 2407c claims...

Our Sport leafs represent the latest technology in performance spring. Our springs utilize a 3/4 length over load spring reducing axle wrap.


Has anyone found these claims to be untrue?
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Re: Global West vs. Hotchkis

If they are using an original factory setup as a yardstick i wont quibble with them. If you have any serious power and bite you're not gonna be happy.

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If they are using an original factory setup as a yardstick i wont quibble with them. If you have any serious power and bite you're not gonna be happy.
I run BFG T/A tires, my motor made 430hp and 460 torque on the Dyno to the fly wheel.
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Re: Global West vs. Hotchkis

By design a spring typically is a flexible member. If you design a spring so that the forward half is inflexible you might eliminate wheel hop under most conditions. A slide-a-link or lift bar, set up right, should perform the same function with a better ride. Wheel hop is, if i remember correctly, a comic example of the third law of motion. Controlling it is easy. What do you want to trade off to get there? I could never get it done with multileafs.

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They are adding one or two extra clamps to the leaf spring to stiffen the spring rate by restricting movement. Here is what I am talking about.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....2Bq0N%2B6L.jpg

Chrysler did the same thing on their super stocks and added a pinion snubber to prevent wheel hop. They also added extra clamps to the front half of the spring and took the thickest bottom leaf out of a one ton truck cut it in half past the spring perch to add that spring into the car leaf spring pack.

http://st.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/2...on-snubber.jpg

http://st.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/2...af-springs.jpg

This allowed a Hemi Cuda to stand on it's back bumper, but the car lived on a trailer so no one complained about ride quality.

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Re: Global West vs. Hotchkis

The Hotchkis springs along with new shocks eliminated wheel hop on both my cars. Both had worn out multi leafs when I got them.

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The Hotchkis springs along with new shocks eliminated wheel hop on both my cars. Both had worn out multi leafs when I got them.
Thanks for the reply, what shock did you go with and hows the ride quality?

When I talked to hotchkis about their leaf springs they said the ride is firmer with the 2407c, they called it a "European" feel.
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Re: Global West vs. Hotchkis

I'd say the ride is pretty firm but that's compared to my daily driver Impala that floats around. The shocks are Bilsteins that were recommended by Hotchkis at the time. I'd have to look back for the part# it's been a good while since I did the upgrade.

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Re: Global West vs. Hotchkis

Looking at the pic of your car you may want to give consideration as to how these springs might change your stance.

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Re: Global West vs. Hotchkis

Get the del a lums no matter what. They are worth it and stop a lot of binding. I love mine. I have no problem with wheel hop and running a 496.
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Re: Global West vs. Hotchkis

Just a follow up...

I bought the Global West L2 with the Del a Lum shackle kit.

I order the leaf springs with a 3/4 inch drop and requested that the order be shipped complete since I would be driving from Toronto to Buffalo to pick them up. Tracking showed that the boxes arrived in Buffalo so I drove to pick them up, once I got there I found they didn't ship the shackle/bushings, and worse when I got home I realized they shipped me the wrong springs. The bushings and shackles arrived in Buffalo 4 days later.

I shipped them back the incorrect springs and 4 weeks later my new springs arrive and they weren't right either. They shipped me a standard 1.5 inch drop leaf spring, keep in mind that they don't include any packing slip so you don't know what you have until you put them on the car. So now my car is lower in the back then it is in the front.

Through all this Global West ignored any emails, luckily I bought through summit racing who were great (you pay through summit but your ordered is shipped from Global west), if it had not been for the customer rep at summit I would still have the first set of completely wrong springs in my garage.

Summit is shipping me a set of Hotchkis drop springs to lower the front of the car to match the back, I didn't want to remove the rear springs from the car and wait another 4-6 weeks for another pair, I'm DONE with Global west.

If anyone is thinking of purchasing from Global West I hope you have a better experience then I did.
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