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Bolt on suspension upgrade recommendations

Now that the drivetrain is basically done, I'm looking to do a basic suspension upgrade/refresh to improve handling and reduce the loose/floaty feeling at highway speeds. Everything is currently stock geometry as far as I can tell, but I doubt most of it is 1968 original. Right now it's pretty soft and parts on the underside can scrape when going over dips in the road at a normal speed. There are several components (frame, frame connectors, headers, portions of exhaust pipes, etc.) that sit less than 5 inches from the ground at some point along their length. So I don't really want it to be any lower, or if it is, it needs to be a good bit stiffer to prevent any of these things dragging on the pavement. Seems like most parts/kits say they drop the car at least 1.5 to 2 inches, but I understand that's from stock, original height. I don't know how much the current setup is sagging compared to straight from the factory, so here's a couple pics of how it currently sits.










I'm looking for the simplest bolt on solution to give better handling, stiffen it up a bit, reduce looseness, and prevent scraping the bottom. This is not an autocross car and there are no canyons to carve where I live. It's just a fun weekend cruiser that may see a couple passes down the drag strip every once in a while. Looks like there are a lot of options from Hotchkis, Ridetech, DSE, Calvert, etc. What do you recommend for something that I can install mostly if not all myself without cutting and welding a bunch of stuff?


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Re: Bolt on suspension upgrade recommendations

Ridetech Street Grip is a good option. You will get a lot of opinions on this, there is no absolutely correct or best option. Everything has tradeoffs....

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I had Hotchkis springs and leafs with their frame conectors, I used Ridetech HQ shocks it worked and handled real well.

The hotchkis TVS or Ridetech street grip would be two at the top of my list.

I’m sure DSE makes some good street performance stuff also.

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Re: Bolt on suspension upgrade recommendations

Those two are basically top of my list. I generally see people speak a bit more highly of Ridetech vs Hotchkis. What about their kit makes it worth ~$1000 more than the TVS?


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Re: Bolt on suspension upgrade recommendations

I think it sits pretty good as is.

That "floaty" feeling could be old/worn shocks also.... but stiffer springs would be a help.

As for "stock ride height"....measure

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Those two are basically top of my list. I generally see people speak a bit more highly of Ridetech vs Hotchkis. What about their kit makes it worth ~$1000 more than the TVS?
Street grip corrects the geometry. Hotchkis does nothing.

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I think it sits pretty good as is.

That "floaty" feeling could be old/worn shocks also.... but stiffer springs would be a help.

As for "stock ride height"....measure

Thanks for the diagram! And yes, the shocks are certainly old and worn as much as any other component. You can push on the front or back of the car and compress it more than an inch pretty easily.


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Re: Bolt on suspension upgrade recommendations

First check the condition of all the suspension parts. Then I would consider an upgraded steering
box, larger front sway bar, possibly add a rear sway bar, good shocks and a good wheel alignment.
Beyond that it starts to get spendy. There's an ongoing thread on using a Jeep Grand Cherokee
steering box with good results. Be cautious listening to the vendors hyping their products especially
when they tell you it's a dircet bolt on with no mods required. I do however believe the Street Grip
system is good. No personal experience, just user feedback on the forums. There's also some very
negative threads on other brand(s). Look through the threads. Keep in mind these cars have some
inherent suspension issues that you can't correct such as rear steer.

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Re: Bolt on suspension upgrade recommendations

Thanks. I understand and accept it's never going to feel like a new car and that's fine. Not looking for an amazing pro touring setup here, just some freshening up to make everything a bit tighter.


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Re: Bolt on suspension upgrade recommendations

Ive used the Ridetech Streetgrip and was happy with it. Comes with front and rear sway bars along with a-arm bushings, ball joints, springs and adjustable shocks all in one box.

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Seems like everyone who has used it has been happy with the StreetGrip setup. I found one thread where Dave Pozzi recommended a taller outer tie rod end to go along with the taller ball joint. Other than that it looks pretty complete and lots of good reviews. The Delrin bushings seem nice as well as the weight savings of the composite leafs. Includes adjustable shocks and the dual rate springs are a cool idea.

TVS includes a rear sway bar and brace that the Ridetech doesn't. Seen mixed things on whether it's necessary. Not sure what kind of bushings it uses but they aren't Delrin. Steel leaf springs, no shocks included. After looking closer and doing more reading, it's clear why this one is $1000 less than the Ridetech.

I'm thinking StreetGrip is the way to go in my situation.


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Re: Bolt on suspension upgrade recommendations

I am not a big fan of the Ridetech Delrin bushings. Fine for the track but too much NVH on the street for my liking. They cannot be lubed and get noisy in a dusty environment. They are better than worn out rubber bushings.

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If you want a big bang for the buck, you can get a 1-1/8" front sway bar from CPP off EBAY and put some KYB monotube shocks on the front and rear.

You can do this for $260 and I bet the difference will amaze you.

As for "scraping the bottom" , this might be cured by better fitting headers or mufflers.

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Delrin is advertised as self lubricating.

The kit for my 66 Chevelle came with a rear sway bar.

If you go Streetgrip buy their bushing removal and installation tool for $100. Well worth it.

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Delrin is advertised as self lubricating.

The kit for my 66 Chevelle came with a rear sway bar.

If you go Streetgrip buy their bushing removal and installation tool for $100. Well worth it.
Yes it is advertised as such but Iím not buying it. Donít like their bushings, have used them in a couple of builds. They are harsh and get noisy in a dusty environment. Lube would prevent that imho...

My personal opinion is the chickens are going to come home to roost on their bushings in a few more years....

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