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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 10th, 19, 11:08 AM Thread Starter
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Power steering pump

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I am changing my manual for power steering and someone has offered me a later mid 70's style pump. Will I be able to get brackets to fit my 68 327? It's to work with a 68/69 steering box.
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It will work. Just get brackets for whatever water pump you have. Example 69 had a long water pump. If you have the long water pump, brackets are relatively easy to find. I like the mid 70's to early 80's truck one piece bracket. Very easy to work with. Or you could buy aftermarket brackets from a company like Zoops. They make quality parts. Hope this helps.

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I have a short pump. I was wondering whether the newer pump would have available brackets.
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Pretty sure the pump will work. You will need a pulley and brackets for a short water pump though.

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Hi Everyone.
I am changing my manual for power steering and someone has offered me a later mid 70's style pump. Will I be able to get brackets to fit my 68 327? It's to work with a 68/69 steering box.
Out of curiosity what gear box and rag joint are you using? I'm gathering parts for the manual to power changover and settled on an AGR variable ratio box with a Dorman 13/16 coupler from Amazon. Also ended up with a Moog long pitman arm from Amazon. I got the AMD-W-095 brackets from Summit as well as the hose. I still need a pump and pulley too.
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I haven't gotten that far yet. I've been offered some parts at a reasonable price. But I'm trying to decipher if they will fit first.
This is the pump I've been offered.
Keith are you suggesting the even though it has a pulley it may not have a correct offset that will fit a short pump if this is off a long pump block?
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That is correct. You can try it, but odds are, you will need a pulley for a short water pump set up.

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Thanks Keith. From our chat I've decided to get a reconditioned unit that is meant for my block. Can you comment on the quality of cardone units? Rock auto sell them and they are a good company to use as their shipping rates to the UK are very reasonable.
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Cardone is not bad. I have installed a bunch of them on customer cars. No come backs.

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post #10 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 12th, 19, 03:36 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you. You've helped me decide. Time to build up a rock order.
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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old Aug 14th, 19, 09:39 AM
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The power steering pump will fit either the short or long waterpump. The offset is done with the brackets. If you have a short waterpump use brackets for a 67/68. Stock brackets are found at all the repro houses.
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The later pump will "work", but you might not be happy with the angle or direction the return tube on the reservoir. I tried one of those "canned ham" rebuilt jobs on my 69 and the return tube shot off at some ridiculous angle and it looked stupid. This is because the later pumps are likely for a car with the steering box out near the front of the car vs the 1st gen Camaro which is closer to the firewall. I took it back to NAPA and exchanged it for a rebuilt pump w/o a reservoir and re-used my original reservoir. Since you are doing a conversion, just a potential problem that might pop up.


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I have a short pump. I was wondering whether the newer pump would have available brackets.

The trucks used the short water pump for much longer than the cars did and have a couple different bracket and pulley setups out there that are readily available new and used. They used an add-on second pulley on the crank that went over the exiting single groove pulley to drive the power steering pump.



Power steering on some used a pulley that was in the 2nd groove position and some used a different pulley that pushed the belt out further closer to where it would be on a long water pump pulley.



Some also used a mount point on the front of the exhaust manifold and others did not.


You need to make sure you get the brackets and pulleys to match or the belt will not line up. I got all the parts I needed to replace the missing system on a 68 C20 truck I am rebuilding from an early 70's van.

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I haven't gotten that far yet. I've been offered some parts at a reasonable price. But I'm trying to decipher if they will fit first.
This is the pump I've been offered.
Keith are you suggesting the even though it has a pulley it may not have a correct offset that will fit a short pump if this is off a long pump block?

Our pump bodies are the same but it is hard to tell from the picture if the pulley is the same offset as mine but the part number on my P.S. pump pulley is 458553-AC. The add-on P.S. crank pulley that matches it is part number 3744043BA. Hope this helps.


I have a few pictures of the brackets I can dig up if you need them.

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1968 C10 stepside 400 sbc T-400 3.73 posi 12-bolt front disc factory A/C front & rear sway bars - built like what a Super Sport truck could have been
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Re: Power steering pump

67 - 69 pumps use bolt on pulley with keyway. Later pumps from 1974 up use a press on pulley, no keyway. Your photo shows a later 70ís press on type. The shaft diameter is larger on the press on & wont interchange.
In 69 GM went to the long water pump & there may be a pump pulley press or bolt on that would work with the later press on pump.



Since you have a short 67/68 water pump, use the bolt on type pump & pulley. It is very doubtful you will be able to find a pulley to work with short water pump setup that is a press on type. The shaft can be changed if you had one but it requires full disassembly of the pump.

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