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How Low Can I Go

Finishing up my project (hopefully) and working on ride height.

1968 Camaro LS-6 Conversion
Street Comp State 2 kit (tubular UCAs and taller ball joints from SC&C)
Hotchkis Sport LCAs with Hotchkis 2" lowering springs
DSE rear 4-link coil over system
I'm running 18x7s up front with 18X8s in the rear.

The guy finishing my car installed Heidts 2" drop spindles.....and now there is a problem (photo attached. I did my research long ago and never thought those were going to work, but I didn't know he bought those. Obviously, the car won't even steer. He has ordered QA1 coil overs to try to raise it enough but I'm doubting this is the best solution.

Here is what I would like you to answer for me: With the SCS2 kit, what is the best way to get the car to its lowest yet still enjoyable stance? What height from stock would that put the car? This car is intended for cruising, but I want it to be fun as well as free from any issues with steering, alignment problems, etc.

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Get rid of the 2” dropped spindles. Nothing but problems with hitting the rims to bump steer.

I believe the tubulars you have are also built in 2” drop.
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Why would anyone use 2" drop spindles with 2" lowering springs? Like John said
get rid of the spindles. The 2" drop springs alone will be plenty.

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Why would anyone use 2" drop spindles with 2" lowering springs? Like John said
get rid of the spindles. The 2" drop springs alone will be plenty.
I think 2” drop is built into the tubulars with standard springs.

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Why would anyone use 2" drop spindles with 2" lowering springs? Like John said
get rid of the spindles. The 2" drop springs alone will be plenty.
Yeah, he was unaware of the issues with drop spindles but he wanted to get the car a little lower. He wants to try QA1s to get a little more adjustability, but I'm not sure that's the best solution.

If I wanted it lowered more than the 2" I had with just lowering springs (photo attached), what is recommended? IS IT recommended at all? I mean if I absolutely must have is lower, is there any way to do it? I'm thinking the only way would be to go with an aftermarket subframe or IFS system. What I'm after is the optimal ride height for performance, ride, and of course the look. I don't want a lowrider that is incapable of a fun and nice ride.
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How low you can go is going to depend almost entirely on wheel/tires. You need to nail the backspace to avoid rubbing.

Same with any aftermarket sub frame. You are limited by the fender and inner fender. Some guys mod the inner and I think someone sells widened inners.

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A close look at the picture of your car it appears the BS on the front wheels not ideal. Looks like wheel are to far out. Maybe just the picture.

Running a couple degrees of negative camber can sometime help avoid running too.
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Get rid of the 2” dropped spindles. Nothing but problems with hitting the rims to bump steer.

I believe the tubulars you have are also built in 2” drop.
If they are SPC UCAs, I do not believe they lower it 2”. I have the same ones.
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If they are SPC UCAs, I do not believe they lower it 2”. I have the same ones.
You are correct. I had them on a 67

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The Hotchkis Sport LCA's come with shims to adjust the ride height. What shim(s) if any are
installed now? Were shims in place on your last pic before installing the drop spindles? I think
there may be a misunderstanding as to how these arms are intended to be used in conjunction
with other pieces. I also agree with John your wheel back spacing may be a problem.
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I have hotchkis lca with 2” hotchkis springs and car is just at the limit of driveability as far as header collector rub on small speed bumps. Probably installing 1 quarter inch spacer this winter to raise car a 1/2 “. Rims are 17x8 on front with 4 3/4 back spacing. No fender rubbing with 4 people in car. Front tires are 235x 45
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these guys have pretty cool carbon fiber wide wheel wells - https://anvilauto.com/products/camar...er-fender.html

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Go back to stock spindles and use coil overs if you need to lower it more, or cut the coils you have. Also look for lower profile front tires. How much header to ground clearance do you have now?

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If you knew you wanted to go lowwwww why didn’t you bag it?
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If you knew you wanted to go lowwwww why didn’t you bag it?
Because you don’t get good handling with bags.

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