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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old Jan 6th, 20, 09:07 PM Thread Starter
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Opinions on disc conversion and suspension

I’m new to Camaro’s but just picked up a 67 that’s currently all stock unrestored but in decent shape. It’s all drums so I am at minimum going to upgrade front to disc but honestly it seems like for not much more money I could just go with a complete 4 wheel disc conversion. I’d like opinions on the best complete kit for the money and would prefer not to piece together things. I am also going to upgrade the suspension but I am wondering if it’s worth it to drop a couple grand on something like the complete kit that Ricks sells that includes a new steering box or the Hotchkis kit or should I just throw on some coilovers and new leafs and shocks. Basically how much better can I make it handle for around $2k. My car has manual steering so I thought the Ricks kit that includes a new power steering box seemed like a good deal unless it’s just not quality. Anyway thanks in advance for your help and I’ve already learned a ton from reading the forums.
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Re: Opinions on disc conversion and suspension

Just did a 67 Chevelle ; here's what I did:

All new Moog rubber bushings on upper and lower control arms

1" drop BMR lowering springs ($110 front)

Replaced upper and lower ball joints (you could install a longer upper ball joint)

1-1/4" addco front sway bar - for a Camaro, use 1-1/8" ($120)

You don't need a rear sway bar on a 67 -69 because of leaf spring suspension

KYB monotube shocks ($160 for 4)

1998 Grand Cherokee steering box from RockAuto ($140)

These mods are cheap and make a huge difference

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Re: Opinions on disc conversion and suspension

Welcome to TC. Front disc is a great upgrade. Rightstuff Detailing has good complete kits.
To me rear disc is not worth the cost. You can upgrade the front suspension quite reasonably
without buying someone's full "kit". New front springs (possibly variable rate like Ridtech) will
make a good improvement. A good steering box and larger swaybar make a big improvement.
Here's a link to a thread on using the Jeep Grand Cherokee box and other info.
https://www.camaros.net/forums/16-br...ering-box.html

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Re: Opinions on disc conversion and suspension

Forgot to mention brakes. If you are keeping 15" wheels, LS1 brakes won't fit.

You will need 17" wheels for the 12" rotors

BRP Hotrods has the kit , you can use your drum brake spindles to mount the brakes.

You can buy the calipers, rotors and rear backing plates for a 1998-2002 Camaro and install them on your car. The backing plates can be found in junkyards or ebay.

BRP Hot Rods: Brake Kit: 12" F-Body

See the "sticky" at the top of this thread; Al (BPOS) has excellent directions on how to install the rear brakes

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Re: Opinions on disc conversion and suspension

You can use a 15 inch steel wheel with a 12 inch rotor as that is how Caprice Cop cars were equipped. Those heavy duty steel wheels are vented (lots of round holes not rally wheels) so you can not run hub caps and look stock; you would need a full wheel cover.

Another option is to use the 2 inch wide by 11 inch in diameter rear drums off of a full size B-body car (the lighter A, F, and X-body cars used a smaller 9" drum). It also bolts up to your existing rear axle flange and retains the stock emergency brake cable, while increasing your stopping power. Unless you are going to road race the car you couldn't tell the difference in performance between the larger drum and the rear disc. MP sells them for $500 complete with backing plates ready to install: or you can pull them from the bone yard. Just be sure it is the older 1965-'79 body style as in 1979 GM went metric with five on five (127 mm actually) with M12-1.5 metric studs.

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Just did a 67 Chevelle ; here's what I did:

All new Moog rubber bushings on upper and lower control arms

1" drop BMR lowering springs ($110 front)

Replaced upper and lower ball joints (you could install a longer upper ball joint)

1-1/4" addco front sway bar - for a Camaro, use 1-1/8" ($120)

You don't need a rear sway bar on a 67 -69 because of leaf spring suspension

KYB monotube shocks ($160 for 4)

1998 Grand Cherokee steering box from RockAuto ($140)

These mods are cheap and make a huge difference
This is great info and I believe I'm going to start with this set up. Can you point me in the right direction to get the longer ball joints? Thanks for the help
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This is great info and I believe I'm going to start with this set up. Can you point me in the right direction to get the longer ball joints? Thanks for the help
https://proforged.autocaredata.com/items/101-10016

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I went with all Pro-Forged replacement parts over Moog

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Re: Opinions on disc conversion and suspension

I recently did Moog steering rebuild kit from Summit, upper lower control arms from classic performance, new moog stock springs, fast ratio steering box from 396.com and a new 1 1/8th sway bar from DR classics
some years back I did front discs and energy suspension poly body bushings and competition engineering adjustable drag shocks. all of it made a huge difference. Very happy so far
I would like to do 4 wheel discs one day though.

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Re: Opinions on disc conversion and suspension

I used the 4 wheel manual kit from Stainless Steel Brakes. If I recall sourced from Jeg's. I'm happy with it. Don't put many miles on it but no problems

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Re: Opinions on disc conversion and suspension

Interesting thread! I have a similar setup, but my 4-drum systems includes the 14" drum ONLY original wheels. Is there any front disc system in which the calipers are SMALLER then the GM originals so that I can retain the current 14x6 rims?

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Interesting thread! I have a similar setup, but my 4-drum systems includes the 14" drum ONLY original wheels. Is there any front disc system in which the calipers are SMALLER then the GM originals so that I can retain the current 14x6 rims?
Kevin,

You can use original style disc brake (front) parts on your 69 with 14 wheels. I have them on mine.

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Re: Opinions on disc conversion and suspension

Right Stuff sells kits that work with the unmodified stock drum brake spindle and 14" non-disc brake wheels.

https://www.getdiscbrakes.com/afxwk14
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Right Stuff sells kits that work with the unmodified stock drum brake spindle and 14" non-disc brake wheels.

https://www.getdiscbrakes.com/afxwk14
Very interesting! Since I already have a power disc master, for $400 I can get discs pretty easily with that kit. I can keep my current rims, just need to find/fab a dust shield. Thanks!

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Kevin, Before you order that kit I would recommend you verify it uses easily obtainable
brake pads. There may be a possibility it requires something non-standard. Just a thought.

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