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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 11th, 06, 04:39 PM Thread Starter
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Still sloppy steering

I converted to the IROC PS box from Manual to include a new pitman arm, rag joint hoses etc.

I also just completed a complete rubber front end rebuild and had the front end aligned w/ he adams specs.

I have lowered the car 3" in the rear and 2" in front using DSE lowering springs. I have also replaced the body mount bushings.

The steering wheel has 2-3" of free play before it even starts to turn the wheels, and then it suddenly feels like it "grabs" the road and I have to go chase it. It gets worse as the speed increases

Any ideas?
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 11th, 06, 04:49 PM
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Re: Still sloppy steering

Sounds like your IROC steering box is bad. Have someone watch your pitman arm as you turn the wheel. Make sure that the slop is in the box.

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post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 11th, 06, 04:55 PM
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Re: Still sloppy steering

I run these specs, works great! Did you replace your worn tierod ends?


ALIGNMENT SPECS
Guldstrand recommends the following specs for a "touring car":
Caster: 3 - 4 degrees positive (+) PS = more, manual steer less.
Camber: 1/4 to 1/2 degrees negative (-)
Toe-in: 0 - 1/8 inch
NOTES : Dial in as much positive caster as possible as long as both sides
are equal

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post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 11th, 06, 05:20 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Still sloppy steering

I replaced absolutely ever front end part. Inner/outer tie rods.Pitman arm/Idler arm/upper lower ball joints, bushings, cross links, sway bar bushings and end link bushings.

I was afraid someone would say the box is bad....
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post #5 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 11th, 06, 05:22 PM
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Re: Still sloppy steering

You use a new Cardone 276550?

http://69camaro.nextmill.net/steering.html

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post #6 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 11th, 06, 05:23 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Still sloppy steering

yep, sure did
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post #7 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 11th, 06, 05:30 PM
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Re: Still sloppy steering

Might have to loosen the nut on top and use an allen wrench to tighten it up a bit. Maybe the lash wasn't adjusted right at the factory or had a loose nut and got out of adjustment. The nut locks it down, the allen wrench adjusts.

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post #8 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 11th, 06, 05:31 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Still sloppy steering

OK I will take a look at that tomorrow. Thanks Brian
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post #9 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 11th, 06, 05:35 PM
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Small Small increments!! Use allen wrench and regular wrench, hold allen tight while loosening the lock nut a bit, turn allen 1/8th of a turn clockwise, lock down nut, take test drive, repeat as needed. You want just a hair of play in the wheel. Too tight and the steering won't self center anymore, you'll then want to back off maybe a quarter turn from that.

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post #10 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 11th, 06, 05:37 PM Thread Starter
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I will do that and report back on my results. Thanks again Brian
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post #11 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 14th, 06, 11:01 AM Thread Starter
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Re: Still sloppy steering

I went about a 1/4 turn. The play is still in there, but the box now has a bit of a rough feel when turning.

I think I may have to get this box replaced.
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post #12 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 14th, 06, 11:09 AM
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Have you sat under the car while someone turned the wheel to see where the play is? First there is always going to be some play when the car is turned off and stopped. I am wondering if though when the car is on and parked, if someone wiggles the wheel left and right about 2-3 inches in what you feel is your 'play' if you see the pitman arm move at all.

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post #13 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 15th, 06, 06:31 AM
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Re: Still sloppy steering

Hey Brian I bet its the box.I went through the same thing new box every thing new up front and still had slop.About 1 in before it would catch.Tighten the screw made the steering tuff but still slop.Sounds like he got the one I sent back.Got the new box and was like night and day bolted it on did have to do a thing works flawless now.Send it back.
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post #14 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 15th, 06, 03:13 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Still sloppy steering

I think it's the box as well. As I am remember now there was "POP" sound when I was tightening up the pitman arm. I have contacted Rock Auto about a exchange
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