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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 22nd, 07, 07:43 AM Thread Starter
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Any tire experts?

Here's the latest in my tire rim saga. In order to get to the bottom of my vibration problems I have had 2 AR TT2's replaced under runout warranty. AR was good to deal with. Bought 4 new tires, the new Falken Azenis 615's. Fronts are 245/45/17 and the rears are 275/40/17. Got them mounted and balanced and installed. Looked at one of the rear tires and there was a sidewall bulge on the inside. Broke it down and the bead was separating. It was replaced under warranty, no issues. Got the replacement mounted and balanced yesterday. Looked good. I had them done at a local AR and BFG dealer, stood and watched the guy do it. 2 times, different guys. Sometime during the afternoon the inside blew off the bead. I would really like some feedback. I am pretty sure I will get this under warranty again... But, that's not the issue. Same series tire, both on the inside. Does Falken have an issue they need to fix? I want to drive these tires pretty hard but am feeling a bit wary on my first Falken purchase. Take a look and let me know what you think. I'm in Canada. Anyone know how to contact a Falken rep or the company direct? Thanks!

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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 22nd, 07, 07:55 AM
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Pretty Falken bad tires if you ask me....
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post #3 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 22nd, 07, 09:22 AM Thread Starter
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Got that!

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post #4 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 22nd, 07, 11:23 AM
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Quit Falken around and get a better tire!!! I'm not very superstitious, but I would definately get a different tire.

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post #5 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 22nd, 07, 11:48 AM Thread Starter
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Problem is I have $800 in the tires...and 0 miles

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post #6 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 22nd, 07, 12:55 PM
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They should refund your $$. If the same company sold, mounted and saw the problem, I don't see why they wouldn't give you a refund. Sometimes these things happen to a certain batch of products. But, I would ask/demand for a refund/exchange for a different tire. Just my 2 cents.

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post #7 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 22nd, 07, 01:36 PM
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Return all 4 tires immediately, that would be scary if you had such a blowout at 75mph. Get a full refund.
Go to a local Discount Tire/American Tire and get Kumho ECSTA SPT or Kumho ECSTA Supra 712, same 98W rating, longer treadwear rating (320/280 vs 200). Cost is $117/$106 for 275/40R17, $95/$87 for the fronts.

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post #8 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 22nd, 07, 04:19 PM
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I would bet there was a flaw in the bead area and the tire mounter did not notice, or did and did not say anything. this is a flaw in the tire and it should be warranteed out. Go back to were you got them, tell them that you wanted a different brand. I think they will take care of it for you. After all, Falken will refund the money they have in the tires. I sell about 50 tires a day, and have for 7 years. I have never seen that, but I have seen one Bridgestone tha had a "flat" area in the bead. I kinda think that is what happened there. Also, he may have cut the bead with the tire machine.....

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post #9 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 22nd, 07, 06:52 PM
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I agree with trex70. I haven't sold tires since 1998 but I sold alot in my day. Falken's are cheap tires and back in the 1990's they had a bad name. The bead appears to have been damaged during mounting there. Are they using a machine that spins the wheel around when mounting or a machine you see in old gas stations which spins the mounting tool around. I forget the names now it's been so long. I think one was called a Coates.

As far as your sidewall bubbles, there are so many people going with 17's & now 18's. There is very little room for give. Sometimes you hi a pothole in the road (called chuckhole in other parts of the world) and boom the sidewall looks liek it has a golf ball mounted on it.

Trex70, do you remember the P195/60R15 on the Nissan Maxima's back in the day. Those things were impact break city. Maybe you don't if you started in 1999 or 2000. I started in 1989/1990 and got out in March of 1998.

Noel, to me it looks like the bead was stretched during mounting. This was a big problem back in the day when inexperienced tire installers were trying to mount P275/40ZR17 and P315/35/ZR17 on the Corvette's particularly the ZR1.

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post #10 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 22nd, 07, 10:07 PM
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Pretty Falken bad tires if you ask me....
Had to comment on this...I literally laughed out loud at thiis one...pretty witty
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post #11 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 23rd, 07, 07:26 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for all the replies! I'm a licensed mechanic in Canada but haven't been on the bench for almost 20 years. Did frontend at 2 dealerships. I've mounted lots of tires as well and have never seen this either. My first guess was that the bead was stretched as well. This is on 2 tires though...same series and on the inside. The inside always installs easiest as it goes on first. They are a really stiff sidewall tire. Any tire has to be able to take enough stretching to get it on the rim. The machine they used spins the tire to install, not the old style they had when I was in the shop. I stood and watch 2 different guys install the tires. It took some work, they both had help keeping the tire down on the opposite side. I might have taken a bit more time but usually this isn't an issue when installing. I would take them all back, but they came from Keystone Canada, not a local dealer and getting warranty is a royal pain.

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