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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old Oct 12th, 07, 06:29 PM Thread Starter
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They don't fit!

My new rims arrived today...BEAUTIFUL AR TTII's with Riken Raptor tires. Fronts are 17x7" with 4" bs and 225/45zr17 tires
Rears are 17x9.5" with 5.5" bs and 275/40zr17 tires.

Only had a few minutes to mount 'em on the car, so I haven't even tried the fronts yet...but the rears are not such good news. They look GREAT, but the inside rear of 'em both rub on my exhaust pipes. Whats the best way to bend the pipes out of the way, and how much clearance should I have?

Aside from the fact that they don't fit, I love 'em...here's a pic, just don't expect it to roll too far right now.

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nice...I love the look of TT's...

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Bill, I hate to tell you, but I don't 4" BS for the fronts are going to fit either. Well....they're 7" wide fronts? Maybe they will. My current 7" Rallys are 4.25 BS.

As far as the pipes? I was joking with another member here today about that. I think he had the same issue, and I might have too when I get mine in a couple of days. I guess I'd see how much room you have to push/shim the pipe awya. If you can't do it, a quick trip to a local muffler shop should be pretty cheap (like...$40-$50 max) to move both. You'll be okay. Yeah, they look beautiful!

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Are the tail pipes single piece, or multi-piece slip fit and clamped together? If the latter, it might be possible to rearrange them yourself. An inch should plenty of clearance. If they're solid one piece, it sounds like a trip to the muffler shop.

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Kevin,
I've got a pretty good feeling about the fronts, they're just barely taller & slightly narrower than the ones I had on there before, which had plenty of clearance...so don't jinx me. Didn't have time to put them on, I had to get back to work once I got home, so I just tried throwing the rears on. Unfortunately, I'll be out of town all weekend so I can't mess with anything until monday.

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They're 1 piece, welded together from the headers all the way back to the tail pipes. Clamps would have made my life too easy...the previous owners wouldn't want to do that.

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The fronts will fit fin, so will the rears after you rearrange the plumbing.





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I second JimM on the fronts. I just ordered the same set of wheels and tires but my fronts are 8's. I was lucky enough to have my exhaust put on about 6 months ago thats when my muffler guy asked me "how big is the wheel I was dreaming about?" The reason why he said with the 3in pipe he wanted to wait till I got the wheels to do the muffler back.

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post #8 of 20 (permalink) Old Oct 12th, 07, 09:43 PM
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Kevin,
I've got a pretty good feeling about the fronts, they're just barely taller & slightly narrower than the ones I had on there before, which had plenty of clearance...so don't jinx me.
Nah, wouldn't do that, Bill . I realized as I was typing that you had 7" fronts. I should have just deleted the first sentence/thought! I'm getting 255's for my rear, so I'm pretty sure I can dodge this same issue.

I have a local muffler guy who just charged me $40 to weld a cat back in my son's RX7 (yeah, he has to take it out after he passes inspection to gain more HP, lol). I don't think he'd charge me more than $20 to move those pipes a tad.

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Think about taking a 16" pair of Channel-loc's and ovaling you tailpipe tips first!! Up about at least 4"s..

I've had to do this!!

Next, please consider cheap spacers if NEEDED??

BUT I would use longer stock dia. studs OR 1/2" jobbers to see you through this!!

And I did after I mounted my Pony-Car, Bullitt rims!!

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Think about taking a 16" pair of Channel-loc's and ovaling you tailpipe tips first!! Up about at least 4"s..

I've had to do this!!

Next, please consider cheap spacers if NEEDED??

BUT I would use longer stock dia. studs OR 1/2" jobbers to see you through this!!

And I did after I mounted my Pony-Car, Bullitt rims!!

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Pdq, with all due respect, why would someone want to use spacers, longer studs, or 1/2 "jobbers" if they can have them properly moved for probably less than $40?

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I would pick up some flowmaster tails. They are mandrel bent and go for 99 bones from Summit. They fit perfect with my 18x10's and 5.75 bs wheels.

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post #12 of 20 (permalink) Old Oct 13th, 07, 09:12 AM
 
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My stock tailpipes were factory ovaled like I had to do my 2.5" tailpipes that exit in the stock position.

Next, spacers can be used if you don't want to screw with rebuilding your tailpipes!!

That said, I WOULD either use longer studs to take into account the spacers or from a safety standpoint, use 1/2" studs AND I had to b/c my wheels are now Mustang Pony-Car, "Bullitts" that have are a 4.5" bolt pattern, 1/2" stud type due to them being FORD!!

And don't start b/c I PERSONALLY think the Pony-Car "Bullitt" rims are just about the prettiest retro wheel going!! And if I would have known it, I wold have bought VERDA Chevy bolt pattern, Bullitt knock-off's!!!!!

Heck, I don't think any Chevy rims can compare to them IMHO!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: They don't fit!

You guys are right, fronts fit with absolutely no problem. If anything, they're too small. I think I may end up lowering it an inch or so to get less of a gap at the wheel well. 1" drop spindles would be the best way to do this, right? Especially considering I'm going to convert to disc brakes so the spindles are comin' out anyway. Until the disc brake conversion, it looks great now & has no clearance issues up front, so I'm in no big hurry to lower it...but those back ones definately need attention before the car hits the streets.

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I second JimM on the fronts. I just ordered the same set of wheels and tires but my fronts are 8's. I was lucky enough to have my exhaust put on about 6 months ago thats when my muffler guy asked me "how big is the wheel I was dreaming about?" The reason why he said with the 3in pipe he wanted to wait till I got the wheels to do the muffler back.

BILL-E-BOB How long did it take to get them in?
How long to get what in? You mean delivery of the rims? Only about 3 days, but I bought them from a TC member, not a store. As far as getting them in the car, 5 minutes or so...except for the right rear which still isn't in because of the clearance issues. Left rear is on there, but won't spin.

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Think about taking a 16" pair of Channel-loc's and ovaling you tailpipe tips first!! Up about at least 4"s..

I've had to do this!!

Next, please consider cheap spacers if NEEDED??

BUT I would use longer stock dia. studs OR 1/2" jobbers to see you through this!!

And I did after I mounted my Pony-Car, Bullitt rims!!

pdq67
Is there anything inherently wrong with ovalling the pipes? I thought about doing that, but didn't want to do it the "wrong" way. I figured I'd just take 2 plates of 1/4" steel to keep it flat & clamp 'em down until there's clearance. The guy that put the headers on banged 'em flat around spark plug holes, so I figure flattening it that far back in the exhaust system won't do any harm right?

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Nah, wouldn't do that, Bill . I realized as I was typing that you had 7" fronts. I should have just deleted the first sentence/thought! I'm getting 255's for my rear, so I'm pretty sure I can dodge this same issue.

I have a local muffler guy who just charged me $40 to weld a cat back in my son's RX7 (yeah, he has to take it out after he passes inspection to gain more HP, lol). I don't think he'd charge me more than $20 to move those pipes a tad.
That'd be awsome if you were on the right side of town for me. Maybe I can find a local guy who'd do it that cheap also...I'll call around.

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I think I may end up lowering it an inch or so to get less of a gap at the wheel well. 1" drop spindles would be the best way to do this, right? Especially considering I'm going to convert to disc brakes so the spindles are comin' out anyway. Until the disc brake conversion, it looks great now & has no clearance issues up front, so I'm in no big hurry to lower it...but those back ones definately need attention before the car hits the streets.
Bill, since you're going to convert to discs, you might want to use drop spindles, but read this informative article and I think you can better choose which way you should go: http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/te...olet_lowering/

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BE really careful trying to run dropped spindles b/c the tie-rod ends CAN hit the inner rim lips!!!!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK HERE!!!

Bttt..

I mentioned all this b/c I thought that he bought a pair of rear rims that caused rubbing! Usually you can't send them back once mounted so then have to buy correct B/S rims at added cost!

What I mentioned is my old "shade-tree" ways of getting around this problem!!

I would probably buy GOOD, (READ, expensive, billet adapters), if I needed an inch or more clearance and be done w/ it.

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