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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old Oct 15th, 07, 03:33 PM Thread Starter
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17" TTIIs on DSE suspension (3" drop)

OK guys, heres the situation,

I have a 67 Camaro and could use some advice or rather comforting words on Wheel/Tire sizes with Backspacing. I know that there is probably information posted here that covers this but I just wanted to get some information that was specific to the 67 Camaro and the suspension that I will be installing on my car.

Suspension:

I have ordered and received the following today from DSE.
Speed Kit 1
Rear Leaf Spring Suspension Kit (3" Drop)
Heavy Duty Rear Axle U-Bolts (Stainless)
1/2 Height Body Mounts with Stainless Hardware.

The Wheels that I plan to use are the Torq Thrust IIs in 17".
When I was on the phone with DSE they told me that I could run:

Front: 17x8 w/ 5 1/4 BS
Rear: 17x9 w/ 5 1/4 BS
17x9.5 w/ 5 3/4 BS (would be tight) (*prefered*)

I trust DSE but am a little paranoid.

I would greatly appreciate any comments or pictures of this setup that would give me an Idea of what to expect when everything is finished.

Thanks in advance,
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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old Oct 15th, 07, 06:07 PM
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Re: 17" TTIIs on DSE suspension (3" drop)

I would trust DSE's advise. They have an excellent reputation and provide good customer service. The front backspace they suggest is a little deeper than the 4.75 that a lot of forum members are using. The rear backspace is also a 1/4" deeper than most run. I don't think a TTII comes in 9" wide. If you want the same look as the TTII's in a 9" wheel check out Vintage Wheel Works they make 2 wheels the style of the TTIIs that you may want to consider. I'll say what I always do these cars are all a little different and available space will vary from car to car as well as side to side. If you're off better to be off with too much backspace (you can always use a small spacer) than not enough (you would have to rehoop the wheels or buy another set of wheels). Good luck with whatever you decide.

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Re: 17" TTIIs on DSE suspension (3" drop)

What are the tire sizes they said you could run with those wheels. Tire size is going to have allot to do with what backspace your going to use. You may also want to ask about the type of wheel they are suggesting with the combo. I could see wheel manufactures being off a little in back space. Since some wheels are coming from China I don't think I would comportable with a brand like coys for instance.

I wish I could tell you more, those are just some of my concerns. I have a 67 and have not gone wheel shoping yett. I really think DSE is a good start maybe a few more questions to ask of them though or provide more info about what your wanting to them.

What else are you running or not running control arm wise? inner fenders? big brakes? springs in front/coil overs? There are so many things that affect what you can run and what you can't, even wheels as some might be a 17 or 18 but have 16 inch centers.

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I would trust DSE's advise. They have an excellent reputation and provide good customer service.
I would not trust DSE's advice. Nothing against them, but I've been through this once with Discount Tire company. And when I finally ordered my wheels from a different local dealer, the guy was skeptical when I gave him back spacing #s for TTII's, so I asked him to verify with American Racing. When I asked what they said, he replied, "They said your back spacing numbers are dead on." AR is familiar with the fit on 1st gen cars. Many other auto people are not!

If it were me, I'd verify directly from the people I'm buying the wheels from. After all, they're the ones you're going to go to if they don't work, right?

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I would not trust DSE's advice. Nothing against them, but I've been through this once with Discount Tire company. And when I finally ordered my wheels from a different local dealer, the guy was skeptical when I gave him back spacing #s for TTII's, so I asked him to verify with American Racing. When I asked what they said, he replied, "They said your back spacing numbers are dead on." AR is familiar with the fit on 1st gen cars. Many other auto people are not!

If it were me, I'd verify directly from the people I'm buying the wheels from. After all, they're the ones you're going to go to if they don't work, right?
It's not my intention to to get in a verbal gymnastics contest but I would not compare a company like Discount Tire with Detroit Speed in their knowledge of 1st gen F bodies. As far as the wheel manufacturer or dealer taking responsibility for fitment with custom backspace that is on who ever orders them. They do not guarantee fitment because of all the variables like brakes pushing the wheels out further - non original sheet metal - ride height ect. If there are tires mounted on them you own them no matter what. I also included in my response what most of the cars on the forum are using and that was different from what DSE suggested. The bottom line is all these cars are a little different and unless you want to go conservative like 7" wheels in the front and 8" wheels in the back you need to check each one and both sides at that. Again it's not my intention to offend anybody. I'm speaking from experience and I think we all know how expensive it can be to gain experience.

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It's not my intention to to get in a verbal gymnastics contest but I would not compare a company like Discount Tire with Detroit Speed in their knowledge of 1st gen F bodies.
No problem with the comeback . There were several details I didn't mention in my post, and I realize now how it sounded comparing Discount Tire to DSE, lol. My basic personal observation was that several dealers who order wheels and tires everyday for cars, including muscle cars, can easily screw it up when it comes to back spacing. Also, his stated back spacing that DSE gave him for the fronts at 5.25" kinda caught my attention. Probably spot-on, but I thought it was a little deep, and that's what really prompted me to make the post to begin with. Better safe than sorry.

Anyway, in my limited experience with this, what made me comfortable was the wheel manufacturer themselves, AR, who make custom back spaced/bolt pattern wheels for muscle cars every day. It's all good .

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No problem with the comeback . There were several details I didn't mention in my post, and I realize now how it sounded comparing Discount Tire to DSE, lol. It's all good .
Both relieved and happy that's how you took it! It's very hard to express how you're saying something when all you can read are the words. I don't have to tell you what happens on a lot of these forums when replys are taken as they read instead of how they're meant. Thanks!

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Re: 17" TTIIs on DSE suspension (3" drop)

Some what off the subject. I was going through Summits Web site and found they offer a part # for TT 2's in the 17 x 9.5 with 5.5 bs on 4 3/4 bolt pattern. I thought that was kinda cool seeing so many of us ordering those wheels their almost not custom bs anymore.

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Re: 17" TTIIs on DSE suspension (3" drop)

Guys,

I'm sorry that I haven't responded in such a while. I have to go to the library to use the net. Thanks for responding.

Joe,

I believe the Tire sizes that they recommended were:
(I have them written down at the house)

245/40/17 Front
275/40/17 Rear

JV69z/28rs,

You are right, TTIIs don't come in a 9" wheel. I found this out when I went to Goodyear. The guy I spoke to also called the local warehouse to see if there was a number that I could call to have a custom set made. He said that AR would have to make a mold to create that wheel and didn't see that as profitable to just make one set of wheels. He did say that because of the high demand the 17x9.5 5 1/2 BS Wheel was created JUST for the 67-69 Camaro.

NOTE - that is for stock height and said that because I would be dropping the car I would probably run in to clearance issues.


As far as brakes are concerned I unfortunately have 4 way drums, which I will be changing later. I'm thinking about the Baer track system up front but I can't change the brakes right now because I currently have 14" Crager S/S up front and the track system wouldn't fit. But if I change the wheels first and then the brakes, wouldn't that change the offset of the wheel a little?
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Re: 17" TTIIs on DSE suspension (3" drop)

[QUOTE=Mean_Gene3;876541]Guys,


NOTE - that is for stock height and said that because I would be dropping the car I would probably run in to clearance issues.


ok I run 17x8 TTII on front, with a two inch drop and 17x9.5 with a one inch drop, no problems. My tire size is 245/45/17 firehawk wideoval on front and 275/40/17 on the rear....

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Guys,

I'm sorry that I haven't responded in such a while. I have to go to the library to use the net. Thanks for responding.

Joe,

I believe the Tire sizes that they recommended were:
(I have them written down at the house)

245/40/17 Front
275/40/17 Rear

JV69z/28rs,

You are right, TTIIs don't come in a 9" wheel. I found this out when I went to Goodyear. The guy I spoke to also called the local warehouse to see if there was a number that I could call to have a custom set made. He said that AR would have to make a mold to create that wheel and didn't see that as profitable to just make one set of wheels. He did say that because of the high demand the 17x9.5 5 1/2 BS Wheel was created JUST for the 67-69 Camaro.

NOTE - that is for stock height and said that because I would be dropping the car I would probably run in to clearance issues.


As far as brakes are concerned I unfortunately have 4 way drums, which I will be changing later. I'm thinking about the Baer track system up front but I can't change the brakes right now because I currently have 14" Crager S/S up front and the track system wouldn't fit. But if I change the wheels first and then the brakes, wouldn't that change the offset of the wheel a little?
Those tire sizes seem to be what others are running. Whell back space and tire size help can be found here also www.pro-touring.com

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