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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old Jan 25th, 09, 04:50 PM Thread Starter
 
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Time for some new shoes

Just sold my old 15 inch rally wheels and tires, its time for a new set. Ide like to get a set of 17's 17x8 up front and 17x9.5 out back. I was thinking about the cragar s/s wheel but im open minded to anything really, chrome or painted. Ide like to get some ideas of whats out there that looks good at an afordable price. I'm really not looking to break the bank, something like HRE wheels are out of the qustion. If you guys any pictures or horror storys to share please do by all means. Ive got the hothkis set up on the car so it sits lower then stock.
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Re: Time for some new shoes

If you are trying to stay low in cost I would have stayed with the Rally's.I like Skips aluminum Rally's that is skeeter55 check them out.I am just old school this is JMO....

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yeah I did love the rallys but Im doing a big brake kit, gotta run 17's for it. I myself would like to stay with the old school theme. Im not really big into the whole pro touring thing and would like the " modern modifications " to be there but just under the radar.
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I like Skips wheels,look at this link and PM him for a price.
https://www.camaros.net/forums/album.php?u=36304

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post #5 of 35 (permalink) Old Jan 25th, 09, 06:51 PM
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American Racing has had issues of late but when you say budget and old school in the same breath I think American 200Ss (Daiseys) or Salt Flats. Please polished TTIIs are beaten to death (but there is a reason - not trying to offend anyone) unless you want to do with the CLs (grey spokes). If you want to spend a little more money Vintage Wheel Works and Team III both have some nice old school wheels. Check them out.

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post #6 of 35 (permalink) Old Jan 25th, 09, 07:07 PM Thread Starter
 
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dude I could not agree with you more TTs's are... let me nice about this and just say if I see one more set of them rolling down my street....I'm going to have a serious anger episode. I do really like Skips wheels they are defiantly unique however I'de like something a bit more open. Im spending all this money on a set of willwoods I would like to see them you know what I mean. The vintage wheel V40's are nice, ebay had a rim and tire package going on them for 1500 bucks not bad but now I cant find it anymore. I guess that's Murphy law for yha.
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Re: Time for some new shoes

Save your money and forget the 17's...17" wheels and tires generally cost alot more money than 16's, 18"'s are even more $$$....People want to complain about the Torq Thrust II's??? I mean no disrespect when I say this but everyone having an erection over 17's or 18's on a first gen and then leaving the old grandma 40+ year old steering gear box in there makes me want to hurl!!

You want it to handle better? Put one of these in there from Detroit Speed http://www.detroitspeed.com/productp..._gear_prod.htm

Then mount some P245/50/ZR16's on it.....FWIW, I have that gear box in my car in the ceramic version....I'm debating the tires now because the car has other issues at this point, so I'm rolling w/ P235/60R15's all the way around on Chrome Rally's.

You will have spent less money putting that set up on your car along with that Detroit Speed third gen steering box than P245/45/ZR17's tire & wheel combo's...That 16" size is what the 5.7L IROC-Z's rolled with and both my third gens would eat either of my first gen's for lunch in a road race with lots of twistys back in the day or even today. Forget the $2,500 + tax 17" tire & wheel packages. I've even heard some guys say they spent $4,500 on 18's....Put a 3rd gen steering box in there with some P245/50ZR16's......That's less money overall for the 16" tires & wheels w/ the 3rd gen steering gear box, and you'll out handle the guy with 18's who spent enough money to feed an entire neighborhoood and wants to be cool, yet still runs the 40 year old gear box.


FWIW, The Tire rack has Z rated BFG's P245/50/ZR16's at $93 per tire brand new right now! The least expensive BFG in a P245/45/ZR17 size is $128 per tire.....I've seen P245/50R16's go for $100 for all 4 tires w/ 9/32" of tread on them that are three years old on craigs list in my area.

FWIW I like the 16" Torq Thrust D in this color..They are $230 per wheel and not $400 like some 17's I see.... (It's not made in a 17" size) http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...All&sort=Brand


Too many guys in my area spend Waaaay too much money on 17" tires & wheels and even more on 18'" combo's and neglect the steering gear box.....The big brake kit will still work with a set of 16" tires & wheels. It did with the 1LE IROC-Z's & 16's. It will with a first gen & 16's.....

I have nothing against 17's...It's just that prices are rediculous on 17" combos and even more outrageous on 18" set ups....The P245/50ZR16's with a 3rd gen steering box will outhandle 17's & 18's and the 40 year old gear box. Now if you can afford the 17's or 18's, the 3rd gen box, tubular upper & lower control arm's, hey more power to ya!..Just trying to save ya a few bucks and I mean no disrespect.

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post #8 of 35 (permalink) Old Jan 26th, 09, 05:12 AM
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Moltar,

Use ebay #170122309519 for the Foose 17" Legends and Nitto 555's or visit his website at www.driverzinc.com and contact Jon directly.

When I'm ready - that's what I'm going with.

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Re: Time for some new shoes

I've had 15", 16", and 17" on the car. If you want to push the car in the corners then the 17's are your best bet. 16" have more sidewall to allow for a bit more forgiveness, but their limited sizes and compounds leave much to be desired. If cornering power is what you want then getting the widest 17" tire up front is going to net the best results. I run a 275/40/17 on all four corners with a 17 x 9.5 rim, which requires some minor modifications, all easily reversible and non-cosmetic, but the cornering power is significantly better than 16". 17" tire availability is much better than 16".

17" are also a good balance between a short and tall sidewall. Short sidewalls, such as those found on many 19-20" setups, do not lend themselves well to our cars. Modern suspsension designs do, but for most of us some forgiveness is needed, and very short sidewalls don't provide that. They tend to give very little notice of traction loss (squeeling) before breaking away.

So, if you are not out hammering the turns 16's are a nice choice and can be had relatively cheap if you search out some 3rd gen options and shoot for a maximum 255 section width. If cornering power is what you are after a good 17-18 will work very well.


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You can get a 17" wheel/tire setup for $1600 in Vintage Wheel Works. Look at Carl's site for a pic.

Driverzinc on ebay. He's also a site sponsor on pro-touring.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vinta...Q5fAccessories

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Rick, thanks for the link! Great to see the prices have come down on 17" tire & wheel combo's! I'd pay $1,500 all day long for that tire & wheel combo in the link you posted---- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vinta...Q5fAccessories

And that silver/magnesium color will look great on my car; since my car is black w/ white racing stripes. Kudos to ya for that link man! I guess that's what I get for being out of the auto service industry for almost 11 years. $1,500 in 2009 for a beautiful set of 17" tire/wheel combo--now you're talkin!!

Now if I could only trade my May 1968 dated original Camaro 12 bolt w/ c-clip eliminators for that 17" tire/wheel combo I would do it in a heartbeat! Thanks!!

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P.S. Carl----Do you have a link to the tire & wheel combo for the P275/40ZR17??? For the most part I like running the same size on all 4 corners. I know Corvette's ran that size (P275/40/ZR17) back in the day and so did the 1991 & 1992 Pontiac SLP 350 Firebird Firehawk.

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Re: Time for some new shoes

Carl's site has alot of great stuff including his VWW 17" wheel setup.

I had VWW 16's on my 69. My goal is to get them in 17's for the 68.

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I like Skips wheels,look at this link and PM him for a price.
https://www.camaros.net/forums/album.php?u=36304

I don't think those 18 inch rally wheels are cheap. In fact I'd bet they are pretty expensive

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You can get a 17" wheel/tire setup for $1600 in Vintage Wheel Works. Look at Carl's site for a pic.

Driverzinc on ebay. He's also a site sponsor on pro-touring.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Vinta...Q5fAccessories
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old school look 17 inch cragars!!! now thats cool........
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