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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old Sep 16th, 16, 06:45 AM Thread Starter
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Front tires rubbing and hitting tie rods

Morning everyone. I've scanned several threads but can't pinpoint what my problem could be. I just put new tie rods on my 68, and I noticed that the tie rods are so close to the rims that the balancing weights will hit. I also noticed that the passenger side has been rubbing the frame and sway bar. The wheels are 15x7 with 4.375" backspacing (hand measured) with 205/60/15 tires. I ran across the drop spindle threads that caused the tire rods to hit, but I don't believe my car has them. Any thoughts on why these tie rods are so close?

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Re: Front tires rubbing and hitting tie rods

You have drop spindles on that car.

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Re: Front tires rubbing and hitting tie rods

Thank you Andrew. I was afraid that was the problem.
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Re: Front tires rubbing and hitting tie rods

Yes... it is a known issue with drop spindles.

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Re: Front tires rubbing and hitting tie rods

Yes, known issue. So now the fix...different off-set wheels, or lose the spindles for stockers and add a drop spring ?
OR, maybe some 18" wheels ?


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first gen suspension geometry
DROP SPINDLES

Plan "D"

The drop spindle kits use second gen parts, on a cast iron spindle similar to a second gen spindle with caliper mount cast in. The steering arm is two inches lower than a stock Camaro and the caliper mounts two inches higher in relation to the upper A frame, which can cause caliper to A frame clearance problems.

Several problems develop when you use drop spindles.

You can't fit some wide tires, the tie rod end winds up two inches lower in relation to the wheel so forget wide front rims.

Geometry stays stock which is not good on a Camaro.

Just trimming the springs to lower the car will put the geometry in a slightly better position as far as camber gain.

You may have clearance problems with the upper ball joint to caliper.

You can't use any aftermarket disc upgrades, they won't fit.

Steering arms are cast in, so you can't bend them to fix bumpsteer. You would have to use a rod end and spacers on a stud.

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I have a matching photo with the same wheel and tire but on a stock spindle, the tie rod end is two inches higher with that combination.

Another point, this is a Stainless Steel Brakes drop spindle, I don't know if other drop spindles are better or worse than this one. I don't know if Superior spindles makes all the drop spindles or if they are all making their own. If your 17" wheels have 4.25" backspace or less, they should clear, with "drop" spindles, according to posts on Team Camaro forum.

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Re: Front tires rubbing and hitting tie rods

Thanks everyone! I really appreciate the quick responses. I have new spindles with a disc brake conversion kit. Does anyone know if the steering arms will work, or do I have to buy new ones?
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Re: Front tires rubbing and hitting tie rods

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Thanks everyone! I really appreciate the quick responses. I have new spindles with a disc brake conversion kit. Does anyone know if the steering arms will work, or do I have to buy new ones?
Yes, the factory steering arms will work.

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Re: Front tires rubbing and hitting tie rods

I suspect something else is at play here after pulling the spindles today. The bolt holes line up with the new ones in my disc conversion kit. I double-checked that stock spindles came with my kit....http://www.rickscamaros.com/camaro-p...1967-1969.html For some reason the link goes to Rick's Camaros homepage...the part number is 187184.

Here is a picture of the spindle comparison:

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Re: Front tires rubbing and hitting tie rods

The hole won't change....it's the location of the axle on the spindle.

Drop spindles


Stock spindles

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I thought about that but the holes and axles are the same distance on both old and new spindles. https://goo.gl/photos/mDZHv1PNewG7fgVFA
I'm pretty sure I have stock spindles with the drum brakes. Are my pic links working?

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