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Lube new lifters with same lube as new cam or use oil???

I get confused on this. Should I use the comp cam lube on the cam and the bottom of the lifters.......or on all parts of the lifters.....or just on the cam and straight oil on the lifters???? Thanks!!!
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Re: Lube new lifters with same lube as new cam or use oil???

Assuming hydraulic flat tappet, you want to soak the lifters in oil for a couple days. Take em out of the oil as you're installing em, wipe the bottom clean, smear it with the compcam lube and drop it in the hole.





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Re: Lube new lifters with same lube as new cam or use oil???

If they are hydraulic lifters just a thought, I used to take an old maxwell-house coffee can fill it with oil ,soak a few days as Jim mentioned,then find a buddy with a drill press chuck up an old pushrod in it with lifter in oil in maxwell house can work pushrod up and down this will fill lifter cavity with oil, then clean as Jim mentioned, lube with cam lube
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If they are hydraulic lifters just a thought, I used to take an old maxwell-house coffee can fill it with oil ,soak a few days as Jim mentioned,then find a buddy with a drill press chuck up an old pushrod in it with lifter in oil in maxwell house can work pushrod up and down this will fill lifter cavity with oil, then clean as Jim mentioned, lube with cam lube
I agree, its old school but when you need to quickly get this puppy started and run for 20-30 min , you dont have to fool with adjustments until you are thru with the breakin. Use some Rotella or Delo oil for breakin along with a cam of GM EOS,,, just for protection.

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Re: Lube new lifters with same lube as new cam or use oil???

ANd don't forget to put some moly-lube on each one's foot too like Isky's REV-LUBE!

As well as on the p/r ends and rocker arm balls!!

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Re: Lube new lifters with same lube as new cam or use oil???

Wouldn't priming the engine push oil in the lifters? I rotate the engine while priming, would this be sufficient?

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Re: Lube new lifters with same lube as new cam or use oil???

if you prime till all the rockers are squirting, then yes, that's all she needs. If you soal the lifter, it will only take one third the time to get the oil up there tho.





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Don't do that of soaking the lifters. It is old school and could be damaging to the new hydaulic lifters. They have the possibility of seizing up and acting like a solid lifter.

"Do Hydraulic Lifters Need to be Primed with Oil?
Many people mistakenly believe that hydraulic lifters must be soaked in oil overnight and be hand pumped up with a pushrod before installing into a new engine, however this is not necessary. In fact, this could cause the lifter to act as a ?solid? and prevent obtaining proper preload. What is very necessary is the priming of the entire engine?s oil system before starting up a new engine for the first time. This is done by turning the oil pump with a drill motor to force oil throughout the entire engine. Crane Cams offers oil pump primers for Chevrolet and Ford engines."

http://www.cranecams.com/?show=faq&id=3 from Crane cams. I have done this to a lifter in my set... if anyone has suggestions about how to free it up, it could be a big help?
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Re: Lube new lifters with same lube as new cam or use oil???

Done at least 4 smallblocks that way with no problem, that is why the hydraulics have springs , mechanicals don't.That is news to me
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Question: I just button up the intake. I did not wipe off the oil off the foot of the lifter. I just smeared some Crane cam lube on the foot of the lifter WITH oil already on it. This OK?
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Look, imho, you should be OK IF you fire her up soon after finishing putting her together IF there is any chance that stuff can drain/drip off the cam lobe's and lifter feet.

That's why we use moly lube paste b/c it CAN'T fall off over time!! Don't let her dry out before you fire her up or you just may scuff the lobe's and lifter feet...

One other thing and that is that I ALWAY's "finger" lube each lifter bore good w/ oil and then check and make darn sure that I can spin each lifter using my oilie fingers to make sure there is NO binding at all here...

AND watch "fingering" down in there b/c the tops and bottoms of the lifter bores can be really sharp and you may just cut h-ll outta one of your fingers!! Been there, done that!!

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PS., as well as use a small bottle of good old GM EOS un top of a full oil change



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Well, I did dump some of the Crane cam lube on top of the lobs after I adjusted the valves.

Probably will not get to fire it up for another couple of weeks.
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So does anyone have any suggestions how to free up the hydraulic lifter that doesnt collapse at all? It would be a great help
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Re: Lube new lifters with same lube as new cam or use oil???

Take it out, take it apart and clean everything and the piddle valve. set it into a can submerged in oil, if you can, use the stroking action of a drill press to purge air and take in oil. You have to get the air out, new school, old school or no school. Lube bottom and drop in. If it will not take in the oil or expell the air, you will have to try an other lifter. Then worry about mating surfaces, again. Marvel oil is good for freeing stuck internals.

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Re: Lube new lifters with same lube as new cam or use oil???

That Marvel Mystery Oil is good stuff , I worked in my Dad's Welding and Machine shop when I was younger , he had a motor locked up, poured Marvel down the cylinder walls and within a week that motor was rotating. http://www.autobarn.net/chmm013.html
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