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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 08, 03:16 PM Thread Starter
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Starter Madness

I have a starter question. Mine is giving me major problems. I have a 68 with a 454.
I have a mini-torque (Hitachi) starter (actually 2 of them). I am getting a lot of screetching that isnt good as we all know. I have shimmed till the cows come home. Small shims, big shims, half shims etc. No teeth missing on the flywheel. I have lined up the bendex gear by puling it out and checking it with no problems and it doest stick or catch BUT it still screetches when you turn the motor over. It chews up the gear and I have replaced 2. I also have tried another starter of the same kind (mini-torque Hitachi) but no luck HERE IS THE KICKER... IF i disconnect the coil and start it with no load it turns over just fine, time after time no screetching, but as soon as you reconnect it and there is a load on it it screetchs...I cant figure it out

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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 08, 11:03 PM
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the simple answer would be to put a toggle switch inline on the ignition wire- get the motor cranking, and flip the switch to fire it off..

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post #3 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 29th, 08, 11:12 PM
 
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Maybe you have more compression than what the starter is capable of handling?
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post #4 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 30th, 08, 05:18 AM
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Maybe you have more compression than what the starter is capable of handling?
Exactly what I was thinking, I have a Mcleod mini starter, never and issue

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post #5 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 30th, 08, 09:42 AM
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the simple answer would be to put a toggle switch inline on the ignition wire- get the motor cranking, and flip the switch to fire it off..
this is the easiest way to fix the problem IMO

and plus, a toggle switch looks great inside of the car
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post #6 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 30th, 08, 11:11 AM Thread Starter
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its a brand new motor, the compression is only 9.5 to 1....i dont understand what your talking about with the toggle switch inline on the igniton ...please explain a little more in detail...maybe im just not grasping it...lol

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its a brand new motor, the compression is only 9.5 to 1....i dont understand what your talking about with the toggle switch inline on the igniton ...please explain a little more in detail...maybe im just not grasping it...lol

You said that the car turns over fine with no load so I THINK he's suggesting using a switch on the coil so that you can start cranking with no load and then flipping the switch and turning the coil on while you're cranking.

I personally would not consider that a real fix for the problem though. I think that you need to figure out what the problem is and deal with that issue. You might just have a couple of bad starters.

edit: Hitachi is Japanese I believe....I personally don't trust their workmanship that goes for Chinese made parts also.
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post #8 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 30th, 08, 01:46 PM Thread Starter
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ya i have a friend with a powermaster starter on a blower motor, i think i will try his starter and see if there is a diffrence. If it works then your right it is the type of starter I have, if its the same thing I'll be back on here, ill keep you all posted and thanks for the responses everyone

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post #9 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 30th, 08, 05:02 PM
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Re: Starter Madness

I had same starter in the spring and I found out by backing off on the timing screeching went away.
later i also had an issue with starter bolts backing out and causing a similar problem.
locktite the starter bolts and see it that works.
I did that to mine and they still backed out.(bolts came with starter)
I bought some ARP starter bolts with safety wire holes and never had an issue since


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post #10 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 30th, 08, 05:50 PM
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ditch the mini starter and get a good oem style high torque starter. personally, i like the later model permanent magnet starters- they are light and strong, but also expensive.

you don't plan sincerity.
you have to make it up on the spot.

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post #11 of 11 (permalink) Old Aug 30th, 08, 08:44 PM Thread Starter
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ok we fixed it with a conglomeration of things...lol......tried a different starter out of my buddies blower motor, lower compression but go figure.lol It was a Hitachi-Type mini torque but i think it was American made AND I backed off some timing and it works great. Thanks again for all your ideas and input. It is always good to bounce stuff you all...

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