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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old Dec 29th, 08, 06:01 PM Thread Starter
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Short Block Swap with Hood?

Is it possible to swap short block (i.e. 350ci) with the hood still on the car (1969 Camaro)?

Did someone did it? Any suggestion?

Thanks,
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old Dec 29th, 08, 06:22 PM
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Re: Short Block Swap with Hood?

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Is it possible to swap short block (i.e. 350ci) with the hood still on the car (1969 Camaro)?

Did someone did it? Any suggestion?

Thanks,
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Make small alignment marks around both hood hinges on the hood while it's still on the car(you can use tape if you like) and remove it. It's better to do that than to have to replace and repaint a hood.

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post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old Dec 29th, 08, 06:38 PM
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Re: Short Block Swap with Hood?

Daniel,
I have never removed a hood from a car to do complete engine swaps. I would think a short block would be a walk in the park.

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post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old Dec 29th, 08, 06:55 PM
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Re: Short Block Swap with Hood?

X2 with Bill. Short-block oughta be a snap...lucky!

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Re: Short Block Swap with Hood?

I have R&R,d Engines in 67-69 Camaro as well as 63-82 Corvettes/chevy trucks etc, WITHOUT taking the hood off. You have to be extremly carefull and shorten up the engine sling to minimum length, and also the engine must be a bare long block assembly with Intake and Valve covers only. Any other parts only aggravates the install. It helps to have someone hold the hood fully open as the hinges tend to sag from the hood weight. Another set of eyes also helps to keep a watch on the rad support and inner fender aprons/brake booster/oil pan etc., etc.
You also have to be carefull and turn the engine assembly a little sideways until past the radiator support.
Like posted a short block would be easy. It can be done.

Why Dont you want to take off the hood? It makes it a lot easier as you can dress the engine with a lot of the accessories, which keeps any damage from occuring becuase of leaning over the fenders continuly to assemble the engine components in chassis, on the other hand you have to store the hood and also be carefull taking it off and on and aligning it up.
Both ways have their dissadvantages. IMO.

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Re: Short Block Swap with Hood?

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Is it possible to swap short block (i.e. 350ci) with the hood still on the car (1969 Camaro)?

Did someone did it? Any suggestion?

Thanks,
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Are you talking about a small block V-8 engine or a short block ?

Engine definitions:

Small block - a classification of the "small" V-8 engine used since the 50's. Sometimes referred to as a "Mouse".

Big Block - a classification of the larger V-8 engine used in some cars and light trucks. Sometimes referred to as a "Rat".

Short block - engine rebuilders call this one a "short" block as it does not have the heads or external accessories. A short block can be a Small or Big Block or any other engine !

Long Block - engine rebuilders call this the "long" block when the heads and valve train are included. It can also be a Small or Big Block or any other engine

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Re: Short Block Swap with Hood?

Its very commonly done. Just do what Wagonman did and protect everything you dont want damaged but mistakes or accidents. I got to help take a motor out of a 69 ss/rs 2 weeks ago that was a damn show car to the max and if your carefull its no problem!

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post #9 of 14 (permalink) Old Dec 30th, 08, 09:47 AM Thread Starter
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Short block - engine rebuilders call this one a "short" block as it does not have the heads or external accessories. A short block can be a Small or Big Block or any other engine !
350 V8 Short Block, without heads nor accessories.

Thanks for all your inputs.

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post #10 of 14 (permalink) Old Dec 30th, 08, 10:33 AM
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Question ? Why would you put a short block into the car without first bolting on the heads or other parts on the engine ? It is much easier to install the heads etc. before it is in the car.

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Re: Short Block Swap with Hood?

I am with putting the heads on before the motor gos in.I think I would take the hood off this way you can use an engine leveler so you can manover the tilt so you don't ding up the fire wall unless the trans is in.Me personaly I think its easier to pull the trans with the motor.This is all recomendations from a plumber keep in mind....

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post #12 of 14 (permalink) Old Dec 31st, 08, 11:29 AM
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Re: Short Block Swap with Hood?

take the hood off- it's like a 5 minute deal to remove it and it makes it much easier to see what you are doing. that hood casts a pretty good shadow and just gets in the way when doing bellhousing bolts and what not.
install the heads and intake on the motor while it's still out of the car- not only will your back thank you, but it's easier to see if you missed anything.

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post #13 of 14 (permalink) Old Dec 31st, 08, 12:05 PM
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Another, simple way to put the Hood back exactly how it was, is to drill an 1/8" hole in each hinge (only through the inner structure). Then insert a drill bit in each hole, to line it back up, when reinstalling the hood. (I learned this on Muscle Car TV.) You can do this on most body panels, also.

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Re: Short Block Swap with Hood?

if you aren't going to be painting the hood hinges while it's apart, then you can just use the marks from the washers under the heads of the bolts that hold the head on- just line it back up in the old marks, and the hood will be right where it was before removing it.

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