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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 09, 08:52 PM Thread Starter
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I have a mild 350 with manual tranny that will not start. Last year I put in a Powermaster #9200 starter and everything has been great. Started up perfectly until yesterday. has a new battery also. I can hear the starter engage the flywheel but it will not crank over the engine. Thought I might have a bad starter so I took it out and bench tested it and it works perfect, but when in the car it just engages the flywhell but will not spin. I checked the voltage that goes to the soleniod when the key is turned on and it shows 9.5v, power master says only needs 9.0v to work correctly. I have tried everything I can think of but can not figure it out, any advice is appreciated. Thanks
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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 09, 09:00 PM
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Re: Need help, car won't start?

Did you try jumping it with another car? If yes, can you turn the engine over by hand using the belt or balancer bolt? Don't pull to hard on the balancer bolt, just enough to verify the engine isn't locked up. If you didn't try jumping it, try it. Even if you do have 9+ volts, you need the amperage to do the work.
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post #3 of 11 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 09, 09:03 PM Thread Starter
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I did not try to jump start from another car, but I did try it with the cbattery harger on it with the 50 amp start. Also it is a new optima battery.
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I had one of those starters on my car for about three months. The day it died on me it started pouring rain about 30 minutes later. So I got drenched swapping starters.....Same thing you describe, it would kick out, but not turn over. I ended up returning it and getting a generic gm starter.

Is the block clean of paint on the surface where the starter mounts to the block? Where do you have your ground cable for the battery? On the engine block?

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I had one of those starters on my car for about three months. The day it died on me it started pouring rain about 30 minutes later. So I got drenched swapping starters.....Same thing you describe, it would kick out, but not turn over. I ended up returning it and getting a generic gm starter.

Is the block clean of paint on the surface where the starter mounts to the block? Where do you have your ground cable for the battery? On the engine block?
Yes, block is clean I checked when I took it out and bench tested it. Ground is on the block. Funny thing is that this starter has worked perfectly for a year?
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It may spin fine on the bench but it most likely has little or no torque capabilities left in it. We used to have a parts store here and their starters would last 1 year, the alternators were the same way.
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Re: Need help, car won't start?

Dose it need to be shimmed, is it binging with the teeth on the flywheel and starter. That would take away the torque it heeds if it engages properly (teeth to teeth)... Sounds like its binding pretty bad.

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Dose it need to be shimmed, is it binging with the teeth on the flywheel and starter. That would take away the torque it heeds if it engages properly (teeth to teeth)... Sounds like its binding pretty bad.
It has already been shimmed. has worked fine for over a year. it is not binding.
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It may spin fine on the bench but it most likely has little or no torque capabilities left in it. We used to have a parts store here and their starters would last 1 year, the alternators were the same way.
I just installed brand new one of the same powermaster and still have the same problem. With it hooked up in the car but not mounted to the block when the key is turned it just engages but does not spin. but when bench tested it spins fine.
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Did you replace the solenoid too? Inside of the cap of the solenoid there are some brass contacts. Sometimes these can get pitted to the point not much current will flow. Some of these terminals can be turned 180*'s and work but, unfortunately not all can.
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Since you have tried everything but replacing the starter. Your next step should be a new starter. Have experienced this with many of a starts with the Army vehicles I work on. Your starter is no good, I would suggest taking it and getting it rebuilt, but the Army only does that now days.
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