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post #1 of 68 (permalink) Old Jul 27th, 09, 12:41 AM Thread Starter
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okay, so i just cant figure it out, my engine does not want to start and stay started for more than 5 seconds, also my coil gets extremely hot! this is my set up,

1. first off, i had a distributor that had the old cap, which didnt have the male ends on the 9 tops, so i changed it to a msd hei, THOUGH it is not a HEI, the cap fits PERFECT, and is identical to my old cap, could this be a problem?

2. my coil gets very hot, but this is after extensive start ups, well trying to start.. I have the main 12 gauge cable on top of the MSD blaster coil, to my distributor, i have the black wire from my distributor to the "-" negative of my coil, yellow wire, from "+" positive of coil to my blaster resistor. I have my Pink wire, that comes from the fuse box to other side of the blaster resistor. I do not have the yellow pig tailing off the resistor to a constant 12v power source (red terminal on solenoid), Is this wrong so far? My coil is a msd blaster 2, does this ONLY work with MSD distributors? or can i use it with whateveR?

3. My firing order is correct, double and tripled checked over and over, 18436572..

4. gas is just being vacuumed from a jimmy can, which is fed to fuel pump.. constant fuel is going to carb, and is jetting out everytime i hit the throttle..

what am i doing wrong, can sometime maybe tell me what needs to go where?

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Re: What am i doing WRONG!?

hows the timing?

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Re: What am i doing WRONG!?

cant really tell because it wont start

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Have someone crank it while you manually turn the distributor until it fires. Or find TDC on your harmonic balancer. To what cylinder is your dist. rotor pointed ? This should be pointed to your no. 1 cylinder if it is on the compression stroke. To determine the compression stroke, both rocker arms to the valves should be loose. Did you do this when distributor was installed ? Once you are at TDC you can turn your the engine by hand so the pointer is at about 8 degrees. Your distributor should be pointed at the No. 1 cylinder. on the cap.

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Have someone crank it while you manually turn the distributor until it fires. Or find TDC on your harmonic balancer. To what cylinder is your dist. rotor pointed ? This should be pointed to your no. 1 cylinder if it is on the compression stroke. To determine the compression stroke, both rocker arms to the valves should be loose. Did you do this when distributor was installed ? Once you are at TDC you can turn your the engine by hand so the pointer is at about 8 degrees. Your distributor should be pointed at the No. 1 cylinder. on the cap.
yep.. you can't tell your timing degrees without getting it to idle. but you still gotta check to make sure you timming is quite close to TDC (top dead Center). where your #1 Cylinder is all the way up, (your exhaust valve should just close (go up) and the rotor in your cap should point to your #1 plug wire.. then go and adjust your timing..

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Re: What am i doing WRONG!?

when we got ready to fire, we had it on tdc, rotor pointing to no. 1 and the oil pin pointed to no. 5. After distributor went in, we went from number one and started linking up our spark plugs according to sbc order.. should i get back on TDC, and re adjust my distributor?

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when we got ready to fire, we had it on tdc, rotor pointing to no. 1 and the oil pin pointed to no. 5.
Oil pin?????????

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Re: What am i doing WRONG!?

yes, just double check.. also.. might you clarify what a oil pin is?

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Re: What am i doing WRONG!?

pin that is visible when looking down the distributor hole, has the ability to move with a long straight head screw driver.. I read it in "how to build your sbc" and it was in the chapter, getting ready to start up, and timing issues

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OOOHH! the oil pump shaft.. alright.. wow never heard it called that.. I though there was something new in there I never knew existed.. alright.. well did you check your TDC and make sure your still lined up with the distributor in the motor fully seated.

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Re: What am i doing WRONG!?

Your timing light will work just fine when you're cranking the motor.
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pin that is visible when looking down the distributor hole, has the ability to move with a long straight head screw driver.. I read it in "how to build your sbc" and it was in the chapter, getting ready to start up, and timing issues
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OOOHH! the oil pump shaft.. alright.. wow never heard it called that.. I though there was something new in there I never knew existed..alright.. well did you check your TDC and make sure your still lined up with the distributor in the motor fully seated.
Same here.

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Re: What am i doing WRONG!?

Have you had the car running before these changes? If so What did you change from the original set up?
It sounds like something in the ign. system isn't staying energized. Maybe at the starter, coil, or ign. swith on column.

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I'm bettin timing's 180 out...

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If you advance your static timing for startup to about 10-12 degrees it should fire it up. Do this by getting your engine set at TDC for number 1 (verify with the cap off). The turn your motor counterclockwise until you have either the '0' pointer on the tab lined up with the 10-12 degree mark if you have a degreed balancer, or if you don't, line up the '0' mark on the balancer with the 10-12 degrees advanced marker on your timing tab. Then loosen the distributor and turn it to line up your rotor with the #1 post (HEI is easier because of the cast triangles inside).

Tighten it down and you should be close enough to get it started then.

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