Harmonic balancer hard to install - Team Camaro Tech
Engine General Engine Discussion.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 5th, 09, 07:33 PM Thread Starter
Team Member
Kevin
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mims Fl
Posts: 451
Harmonic balancer hard to install

I'm trying to re-install my damper after installing my new cam. I went to the local auto parts store and picked up an installation tool and coated the inside of the balancer with never seize. I'm having a hard time getting the darn thing on, and I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong. I'm using a 12'" adjustable wrench to turn the nut, but it's taking all I got to get the thing to move. I removed it with the puller to see if anything was obvious, but don't see anything. Yes it's lined up with the key way, and I saw no metal shavings or anything wrong. Is the never seize the problem?
kcart55 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 5th, 09, 10:08 PM
Senior Tech
John
 
parkbrau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Stuttgart
Posts: 7,665
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

i'm Not sure if the seize is the problem. Take some emery cloth and go around the shaft. Dont force it as you might strip the threads. That would suck.
parkbrau is offline  
post #3 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 03:05 AM
Gold Lifetime Member
Scott
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Pasadena, MD
Posts: 1,185
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

Kevin,
I went through the same thing a few months back. I had the balancer install tool and a three foot pipe on the wrench....couldn't get it to budge after the half way point.
So try this......spray some lube on the threads of the removal tool. It worked for me and I managed to get the balancer on with a 12" Cresent Wrench.

Worked for me!

67 3L 4P Project Car

I just had to have some wings.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


67 RS/SS Pictures


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
cpodeep is offline  
 
post #4 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 05:46 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NORTH EAST
Posts: 938
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

Some times thay have to be honed and fitted. We seem to hone quite a few of them to fit them.
CNC BLOCKS N/E is offline  
post #5 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 06:05 AM
Senior Tech
Rich
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: North Jersey
Posts: 1,463
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

Some balancers actually come with instructions that tell you that you might actually have to heat the balancer in an oven to get it on the crank.I just used a professional products SFI unit on a bigblock street engine,and I had to put it in the oven at 250 degrees for about a half hour,then run out to the garage with the balancer in oven mits,and set it up on the crank and install it.Talk about hot potato.A machine shop will often hone a balancer when it fits like this,but I dont have any way of doing that with any accuracy,and I am not spending hours of my like making special trips to the machine shop just for a balancer that fits a little tight.Good luck.
RichSchmidt is offline  
post #6 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 06:49 AM
Senior Tech
Tim
 
77wolf10.85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 3,222
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

Carl, please recommend me a hone I can procure for under a hundred or so and I'll buy it. Until then,,,,,

what Rich said, especially if it just came off.

This Okie hones them with emery though, irregardless of people on the internet saying you shouldn't. Never heard of honing a balancer until the flippin internet came along. That's not aimed at you Carl, but all the internet knowallogist experts. I accept the possibility of(and have experienced) of excessive interference fit and understand the tolerance stack reason that causes it, it's just that the average guy can't do a damthing about it and most machine shops(3 in my bassackwards village) can't either.

Rich, get you a cardboard box and line it with oven mitts. Use your temp gun to make sure the ID of the balancer is 225 or so but not too hot or it may blue or hurt the elastomers.(roller bearings blue just over 275). throw it in the box and cover it with more mitts. buys you a little time and holds a little heat while you go to the engine.

Tim Smith
77wolf10.85 is offline  
post #7 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 07:03 AM
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NORTH EAST
Posts: 938
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

Quote:
Originally Posted by 77wolf10.85 View Post
Carl, please recommend me a hone I can procure for under a hundred or so and I'll buy it. Until then,,,,,

what Rich said, especially if it just came off.

This Okie hones them with emery though, irregardless of people on the internet saying you shouldn't. Never heard of honing a balancer until the flippin internet came along. That's not aimed at you Carl, but all the internet knowallogist experts. I accept the possibility of(and have experienced) of excessive interference fit and understand the tolerance stack reason that causes it, it's just that the average guy can't do a damthing about it and most machine shops(3 in my bassackwards village) can't either.

Rich, get you a cardboard box and line it with oven mitts. Use your temp gun to make sure the ID of the balancer is 225 or so but not too hot or it may blue or hurt the elastomers.(roller bearings blue just over 275). throw it in the box and cover it with more mitts. buys you a little time and holds a little heat while you go to the engine.

We are just use to honing them as we use alot of the ATI balancers and all of them are hone to fit and the cranks we buy from King's crankshaft in NC he perposly leaves the snout appox..0005 to .001 biggger.
CNC BLOCKS N/E is offline  
post #8 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 08:21 AM Thread Starter
Team Member
Kevin
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mims Fl
Posts: 451
Talking Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

I kind of like the oven suggestion. BTW, this is the factory balancer that came off. I can hear my wife now when I say I need to use the oven. She will probably think I'm fixin dinner.
kcart55 is offline  
post #9 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 09:33 AM
Gold Lifetime Member
Scott
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Pasadena, MD
Posts: 1,185
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

Let me see if I have this right.....Kevin is trying to "reinstall" the balancer that he removed from the same engine. There hasn't been any machine work to the balancer or the crank. If he pulled it from the same engine it should go back on the same engine without any machining right?

67 3L 4P Project Car

I just had to have some wings.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


67 RS/SS Pictures


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
cpodeep is offline  
post #10 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 10:02 AM
Senior Tech
Ken
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: NM
Posts: 358
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

It should go on, no problem, right? Check to see if it needs a sleeve as well. You're new oil seal on the timing cover will like you for this.

_________________

1969 Camaro
KMG69 is offline  
post #11 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 01:05 PM Thread Starter
Team Member
Kevin
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mims Fl
Posts: 451
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

Quote:
Originally Posted by KMG69 View Post
Check to see if it needs a sleeve as well.

_________________
Sleeve???
kcart55 is offline  
post #12 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 01:20 PM
Senior Tech
Rich
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: North Jersey
Posts: 1,463
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

I havent ever had a problem with an OEM type balancer,and never when reusing the same crank and balancer combo.Make sure the balancer wasnt going on crooked and marred the crank which could make it hard to out on once it is straight.How far is it going on?

BTW,the sleeve being mentioned here is a thin metal collar that comes with some timing cover gasket kits that goes over the outside of the crank hub on the banacer and is used to repair a wear groove on the balancer caused by the front seal.They work well.A little loctite or yellow snot helps them stay put.
RichSchmidt is offline  
post #13 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 01:41 PM
Senior Tech
Ken
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: NM
Posts: 358
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

Yes a repair sleeve:
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/cat...alancer+sleeve

If you had the balancer already lined up with the key on the crank, you were almost home. But hey, maybe it happened for a reason, like a grooved hub on the balancer?

___________

1969 Camaro
KMG69 is offline  
post #14 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 03:25 PM
Senior Tech
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Posts: 441
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

I had the same problem.. snapped the installation tool. tried again after heating in the oven to 140-160*, and it went on like butter.

Use never seize on the inside of the balancer and oil the threads on the installation tool.

mike

1973 RS Z28: 401ci Dart Little M, Littlefield 6-71 supercharger @14lbs boost, Callies Magnum crank, Lunati rods, JE pistons, 7.8:1, AFR 227 Comp heads, T&D 1.6 shaft rockers. Reed solid FT cam (240/[email protected]/.542 lift-112 LSA), QFT 750 carbs
Tokyo Torquer is offline  
post #15 of 19 (permalink) Old Nov 6th, 09, 03:45 PM
Gold Lifetime Member
Fred
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Seabeck WA
Posts: 8,375
Re: Harmonic balancer hard to install

Sounds like the oven method is easier than the old emery cloth trick I learned in the '60's. And sanding the inside of balancers is the reason they invented snout bolts. Some of us don't know when to stop.
And I like molly grease for this jobs tools.

One owner 69 Camaro,(yep, bought it new
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
)
RS SS Hugger Orange, L88, 4:10's tru-tack posi, ducted hood, Endura, spoilers.
TH400 (CX) with Coan 8" converter, GV-OD, 8 track still on console and best et 10.495,
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
128.79mph 1.428 60'
All with 1960's stuff. (except tires and converter)
+ MT Super Scavenger headers & 3" full exhaust with X pipe. 3700 lbs. with me in it.
1000cfm AED and HD Harold-Lunati SR, 725 lift with shaft rockers too.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Fred Ficarra is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Team Camaro Tech forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address.
NOTE we receive a lot of registrations with bad email addresses. IF you do not receive your confirmation email you will not be able to post. contact support and we will try and help.
Be sure you enter a valid email address and check your spam folder as well.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome