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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old Feb 26th, 10, 06:37 PM Thread Starter
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Camel Hump non accessory holes

I recently bought a 327 with Cammel Heads with Non accessory holes that i'm going to be droping in into my 81, i'm having a problem finding power steering bracket & Alternator Brackets, I know there's alan grove components Brackets out there but i'm not looking to spend that kind of money on brackets! and i also don't want to take and the risk and tap into the heads
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try welding a nut or a stack of nuts on the head.

back in the early 80's my best friend had a 79 Z-28, we put a sbc with camel non accesory holed heads on his car, we found a bracket from somewhere that worked fine. Don't ask me what the bracket came off of, we didn't know at the time.

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any '68 and earlier chevrolet passenger car brackets will work
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try welding a nut or a stack of nuts on the head.
yeah right...welding cast or onto cast can cause seruois damage without pre heat ovens,

Check out old posts as to making a bracket that bolts to the water pump bolts.

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yeah right...welding cast or onto cast can cause seruois damage without pre heat ovens,

Check out old posts as to making a bracket that bolts to the water pump bolts.
Several years ago I repaired dozens of antique cast iron door hinges for people restoring older homes here locally, no oven was necessary.

I used a small oxyacetelene torch and used old piston rings as a rod. I bet the same process would work for welding nuts made of mild steel to cast, no problem.

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I've Drilled and Tap into the Head Casting to mount the Alternator and had no problem; however, GM does have a bracket which mounts to the Exhaust Studs to use the 69/70 pulley system but that Bracket is hard to find. If you can find a Pic of this Bracket, it should not be hard to fabricate.

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Re: Camel Hump non accessory holes

Thanks for all the replies, I'm going to be using a Long water Pump so the Alternator is going be mounted on the Passenger side.

Do you guy's think this will work for the Alternator bracket?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G4050/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G4018/

or could i use this and put a nut on the back of the lower bracket?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G4017/

and for the Power steering Pump bracket will this kit work?
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/v...umpbracket.jpg

Thanks i really appreciate all the help
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any '68 and earlier chevrolet passenger car brackets will work
The only problem that I see, is that pre '69 brackets are for a short water pump and your '81 is a long water pump. Meaning if you are using your '81 accessories, you need a long water pump and '69 or newer accessory brackets and pulleys.

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I used the bracket in the first link for the alternator, and then a different skinny bracket from the first hole on the water pump to the top of the alternator (adjustment).

I'd suggest welding the first bracket, it is very weakly spot welded and mine broke.

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For the altenator,use the stock passenger side brackets,use a nut on the back side of the lower bracket,then bend the ear on the upper bracket so that it no lnger bolts to the water neck bolt.Having the top of the alt mounted too solid while the bottom vibrates causes belt toss,allowing the top to flex bit along wih the bottom keeps the belt on.THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE GM DRIVER'S SIDE SETUP WORKED.
And for the power steering pump,it is a little more difficult.You need a power steering pump that has the double bracket were it bolts to the water pump,meaning you need one that has a bracket on the front where the bolt passes thru,and a bracket on the back with the nut welded to it.Chances are you power steering pump has a single bracket.For the other side of the pump you can use only the bracket that bolts to the exhaust manifold,and can use it by putting a stud on the front header bolt hole{if you have headers} and bolting the bracket on there.I believe that the double bracket PS pump is designed for cars wth AC,and has the 2 groove pulley,which is more desireabe in our setup since you wont ever be able to get a real lot of tension on the belt.No matter what you do,there isn a good way to make it work with a long water pump,but the altenator belt toss issue is easy to solve,and te PS setup is going to be a rigged up setup.Good luck.

BTW,if you dont like the idea of ending/cuttin your stock top alt bracket,you can make it neat by buying a inexpensive universal chrome driver's side bracket,cutting it down and drilling the mounting hole in the correct spot,then putting a little bend in it to correctly position the alt on the passeger side.
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#1 top bracket bent to clear bolt{but not too notceable)
2 lower bracket converted to short bolt

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For the altenator,use the stock passenger side brackets,use a nut on the back side of the lower bracket,then bend the ear on the upper bracket so that it no lnger bolts to the water neck bolt.Having the top of the alt mounted too solid while the bottom vibrates causes belt toss,allowing the top to flex bit along wih the bottom keeps the belt on.THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE GM DRIVER'S SIDE SETUP WORKED.
And for the power steering pump,it is a little more difficult.You need a power steering pump that has the double bracket were it bolts to the water pump,meaning you need one that has a bracket on the front where the bolt passes thru,and a bracket on the back with the nut welded to it.Chances are you power steering pump has a single bracket.For the other side of the pump you can use only the bracket that bolts to the exhaust manifold,and can use it by putting a stud on the front header bolt hole{if you have headers} and bolting the bracket on there.I believe that the double bracket PS pump is designed for cars wth AC,and has the 2 groove pulley,which is more desireabe in our setup since you wont ever be able to get a real lot of tension on the belt.No matter what you do,there isn a good way to make it work with a long water pump,but the altenator belt toss issue is easy to solve,and te PS setup is going to be a rigged up setup.Good luck.

BTW,if you dont like the idea of ending/cuttin your stock top alt bracket,you can make it neat by buying a inexpensive universal chrome driver's side bracket,cutting it down and drilling the mounting hole in the correct spot,then putting a little bend in it to correctly position the alt on the passeger side.
so you don't think this bracket will work for the steering pump?
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It's hard to tell in the package just what they are.If they are designed for a long water pump then thats what you need/
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It's hard to tell in the package just what they are.If they are designed for a long water pump then thats what you need/
on the ad it is says for Long style water pump and here are the instructions






will this kit work for me?
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Thanks for all the replies, I'm going to be using a Long water Pump so the Alternator is going be mounted on the Passenger side.

Do you guy's think this will work for the Alternator bracket?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G4050/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G4018/

or could i use this and put a nut on the back of the lower bracket?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-G4017/

and for the Power steering Pump bracket will this kit work?
http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/v...umpbracket.jpg

Thanks i really appreciate all the help
I've run double humps for years without the hole in the heads, but it regularly threw the belt at High RPM when flogging it - without the rear of the lower bolt stablized I never could mainain good parrellelism between the alternator pulley and the water pump / harmonic balancer pulley, it turns under tension just enough to cause problems. You really need to fabricate a brace for the rear of the lower bolt to keep it straight. It will run fine most of the time but bring a wrench and a spare belt with you in the trunk in case you spit the belt while playing around.

On the mounts you posted from Summit, I'm pretty sure that first one is a bracket to put the alternator on the drivers side like 67's and 68s, and it won't work right on the passenger side, I've tried them. The other brackets are just chrome repros of the origional brackets for a 69, and they won't keep the rear of the lower bolt in the right position to keep the alternator in the right position from my experience.

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