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Too much labor???

My local machine shop wants $950 to clean,bore,and assemblethe bottom end of my 327.Does not include any parts labor only.I think it's a bit much.It will blow my budget by $300.So this will be my first time to assemble an engine.
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That's in the ballpark, ,dang near what I paid in las vegas when I supplied the parts.

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Well, it sounds like way too much to me. I would get some estimates from other shops.
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Waaaay too much. Take it somewhere else. Go to the shop and get it today.
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Had the bottom end of the 350 in the Firebird cleaned, bored, and assembled about 5 years ago. Parts and labor was less than $850. Comp cam, brass freeze plugs, oil pump, gaskets etc.

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I could see it if it included balancing and "blueprinting" < (I hate to use that term because of what some shops say that is.)

Did they mention balancing Scott?

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post #7 of 20 (permalink) Old Mar 9th, 10, 05:30 PM
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Re: Too much labor???

Dont know where you guys live, but that price is right about in line here, if not maybe even a bit cheap. I get the following:

Clean block (oven & shot blast) ........ $120
Bore and hone ............................... $250
Extra for torque plates if requested ....$100
Install pistons on rods........................$60
Install cam bearings & freeze plugs.......$60
Assemble rotating assembly ..............$500

We still haven't addressed grinding or polishing a crankshaft ? Balanceing ? Degree camshaft ? Etc Etc

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If it's not ballanced and printed, Meaning to all specs, very high
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I would say a little high if balancing is included, but not way high. Without balancing its way high IMHO.

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Re: Too much labor???

We get
To sonic test
Bake & blast
Line hone
Deck
Bore and plate hone
Light hone on the lifter bores
Jet wash................................ 595.00

Balancing w/o heavy metal 175.00
Hang pistons 60.00
resize rods & align rods 140.00
Fit rings 60.00
Hone wrist bores if needed 40.00
Assemble short block 350.00
Long block is 500.00
Install cam bearings & freeze plugs 60.00

Any other work would be shop rate which is 70.00
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I know the high end shops here charge $500/$500 for balancing and blueprinting.
I've seen entire engines built, all parts included back in the late 90's for under 2 grand...

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Thats really really high. I was quoted here about a year ago to clean and prep a block about $400 for a .30 over. Your rebuild kit will include everything. Maybe ask a member or buy a book to complete the process. However to just prep the block 1,000 damn. Sounds to me he has a gambling problem.

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The local NAPA store can beat my prices because they don't line hone or line bore, square and deck they don't plate hone they don't balance they don't seem to pay attention to detail with bearing clearances, they don't filte fit rings. don't bother to fit wrist pins in the pin bores of the pistons. ETC. They can't even degree a cam in if that tells you anything.

We have seen alot of builds like this and we have leaked down newly rebuilt engines to find 30% plus leak down at TDC. bearing issues cause main line issues were over looked.

It really depends on what your looking for as far as quality if you want a good job its not going to be done for a 400 dollars.

Look at equipment the cheaper shops use compared to a good shop nite a day differance and they can not do any blue print work, But they can talk the talk LOL

The 400 dollar job does not compared to what we build at our shop.
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Re: Too much labor???

There used to be an old saying..."You get what you pay for"

Carl and Bill nailed it. It takes me at least two solid 8 hour days to assemble a short block. That includes cleaning parts, checking clearances (bearings, bore, pin, thrust, deck height, etc.), checking/setting the ring gaps, degreeing the cam, mocking up the valve train to check piston to valve clearance, then cleaning everything again before any assembly can begin. Note that this doesn't include any machine work on my part...but I still have to verify that the machine work was done correctly.

If I skipped all those details I might be able to "slap it together" in a few hours. Then you get to cross your fingers and hope it stays together.

You can have it quick, cheap, or good. Pick any two.

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Follow these links as this guy would have surely done it right the first time but the machine shop told they could take care fo his performance build for his Corvette.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...blem-saga.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...ga-update.html
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