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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 17th, 10, 08:00 PM Thread Starter
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Is it necessary to buy a timing cover for vortec engines?

I'm building a 97 5.7 Vortec engine for a customer and the timing cover says to replace if removed. I don't think it is necessary so I just used some silicone to help seal it.

Also, I took out the balancer seal that was in it and the gasket set did not come with another one in it. I hope I don't have to buy a cover just to get the seal.

Anyone have any experience with this situation?

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Re: Is it necessary to buy a timing cover for vortec engines?

The seal in integral to the cover on a Vortec. A new cover only runs about $20. You'll find out soon enough I guess.....

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Re: Is it necessary to buy a timing cover for vortec engines?

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The seal in integral to the cover on a Vortec. ..
I'm talking about the balancer seal. Not the cover seal. Sorry for not making this clear.

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Re: Is it necessary to buy a timing cover for vortec engines?

I'm pretty sure the covers are plastic, and sucked in the first place.
Maybe this is the reason?

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Re: Is it necessary to buy a timing cover for vortec engines?

I tried to reuse one once. It's not worth the cost after you figure your time involved in removing everything to replace one after it leaks.

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Re: Is it necessary to buy a timing cover for vortec engines?

Hi Patrick
when I did a little 305 roller a year or 2 ago, I didn't want to spend a stinkin red cent that wasn't necessary. It got rings/brgs/valve job and a cheap vortec intake and a can of pink paint.

Wasn't about to let a piece of plastic tell me how to spend my money. It's a great running engine, doesn't leak a drop and the 66 p/u loves that thing. I reused the rear seal, pan and vc gaskets, front cover with seal. Had to hand make a gasket for the rear seal hsg but that's no biggee. I put a used oil filter from some good engine's initial run on it and some old no-name oil that was in my Dad's shed when he passed. Spend my money as I see fit, my risk and my reward. I almost put used initial run oil in it until I remembered Dad's stuff. He would have liked that.

The pink was a joke due to being a 305, but it really does have eye appeal. Everybody that looks at it laughs and then after a minute says "hey that kinda looks purdy friggin good". Std reply is "Ibedam if I'll buy it any more paint cuz 250 bucks is all a 305 gets"


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Hi Patrick
when I did a little 305 roller a year or 2 ago, I didn't want to spend a stinkin red cent that wasn't necessary. It got rings/brgs/valve job and a cheap vortec intake and a can of pink paint.

Wasn't about to let a piece of plastic tell me how to spend my money. It's a great running engine, doesn't leak a drop and the 66 p/u loves that thing. I reused the rear seal, pan and vc gaskets, front cover with seal. Had to hand make a gasket for the rear seal hsg but that's no biggee. I put a used oil filter from some good engine's initial run on it and some old no-name oil that was in my Dad's shed when he passed. Spend my money as I see fit, my risk and my reward. I almost put used initial run oil in it until I remembered Dad's stuff. He would have liked that.

The pink was a joke due to being a 305, but it really does have eye appeal. Everybody that looks at it laughs and then after a minute says "hey that kinda looks purdy friggin good". Std reply is "Ibedam if I'll buy it any more paint cuz 250 bucks is all a 305 gets"
Thanks Tim! I'm gonna "Let it ride" like it is. I feel better now after your response.

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Re: Is it necessary to buy a timing cover for vortec engines?

mine didn't have many miles on it Patrick, just couldn't see a damthing wrong with it and I didn't change the front seal either. I think my buddies said it had 69k miles when they changed it out w/ a brand new gm 305. But it had sludge to put the castrol TV commercials to shame.

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Re: Is it necessary to buy a timing cover for vortec engines?

UPDATE:

I ordered a timing cover kit from the parts store and it came with everything except the cover. I thought this is good because I didn't need the cover, just the seal, BUT the dang seal was too big! I took it back and took the old seal and they cross-referenced it to another seal but it was TOO BIG also! So I told them to just order a whole cover and I would "pop" out the seal and just use it because I already had the old cover bolted on.... So the new cover came in and guess what, they had re-designed the cover for the larger seal. Ahh!

So I re-used the old seal, which looked fine. And if it leaks I will buy a balancer repair sleeve! Trying to save a few bucks. I bet it doesnt leak. So for anyone that rebuilds a vortec engine. GET A NEW COVER. Because this is another dumb thing GM did to make us have to spend a few bucks more because you can't get a replacement seal.

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post #10 of 11 (permalink) Old Mar 24th, 10, 12:34 AM
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Re: Is it necessary to buy a timing cover for vortec engines?

i believe you can just put any old small block timing cover on it and call it good. but you might need to remove the welded on timing tab (if it has one) and use a $5 Mr gasket bolt on timing pointer..

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Re: Is it necessary to buy a timing cover for vortec engines?

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i believe you can just put any old small block timing cover on it and call it good. but you might need to remove the welded on timing tab (if it has one) and use a $5 Mr gasket bolt on timing pointer..
Correct. GM makes a plain metal cover (no pointer). If you go this route (some day) you also need to buy the 2 locating dowels. The dowels are integral to the plastic cover.


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