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Mitchell’s Mechanical Labor Estimating Question

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I recently bought a 99 Camaro from a local dealership, well long story short week later the motor gives out (3.4 v6), and i believe i'm getting gipped by the warranty company and the dealership and the mechanics shop on this one. They keep throwing this Mitchell’s Mechanical Labor Estimating Guide Time at me. Any of you guys know what the Time would be to take out /tear down/ and replace a rod bearing and or rod in a 99 Camaro?
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Re: Mitchell’s Mechanical Labor Estimating Question

Flat rate manual has been pretty much the Bible for time per job.
It has been my experience dealers go by the manual.
Labor rates are dependent upon dealer.

There are independents here may give more insight to your situation.
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Re: Mitchell’s Mechanical Labor Estimating Question

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Not sure what difference it makes if it is covered under warranty. Only thing is some of the warranty companies will not pay a shop thier normal full labor rate So a lot of shops dont even mess with warranty repairs.

Like Everett said, just about everyone in the industry bills according to one of the flat rate guides such as Mitchell, Alldata etc. It makes no difference as to how long the job actually takes to do.

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Re: Mitchell’s Mechanical Labor Estimating Question

I actually work for Mitchell (the collision side) though not Mitchell1, which is owned by Snap-On, which publishes mechanical labor times.

There is a big difference between flat rate guides and Mitchell's times. Flat rate times do not take overlap into consideration. Overlap occurs if you need to remove one component that is behind the component you are getting at. This can create a double count of labor if the estimator does not manually deduct it (convenient not to) while Mitchell’s tools automatically deduct overlap from the repair times.

Furthermore, Mitchell's times are based on observation of the actual times it takes to perform the work by the shops while flat rate times are often based on warranty times. Warranty times are often negotiated times between dealers and the OE's and may not be reflective of the actual labor times to perform the work. (I did a Finance internship at GM in their warranty department, so I am familiar with how those are set as well).

Anyway, for better accuracy, I'd go with the Mitchell times over flat rate times if possible.

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Re: Mitchell’s Mechanical Labor Estimating Question

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There is a big difference between flat rate guides and Mitchell's times.Hans
As far as I know Mitchell's is a "flat rate" guide. All the shops I worked for up to the 90's had them, don't think I ever saw another brand.

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Re: Mitchell’s Mechanical Labor Estimating Question

its either mitchells or chilton time, its been that way for the 25 years i have been a tech, weather its at the gm dealer i am at now or the inddy freinds that i have, they all use it. how else would a job be estimated if it wasnt for a book that we could use as a guide.
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