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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old Jun 10th, 14, 12:49 PM Thread Starter
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Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

I have just purchased a 69 camaro with a Ramjet 350 crate engine and just changed the oil/filter. I didn't check the oil level prior but when I replaced the oil I put in about 5.7 or so quarts of 5-30. I didn't get any oil reading on the dipstick that is attached. When I drained the old oil out It overfilled a 5 quart jug, over the lid plus some (knowing that about 5.5 quarts fit in the jug).


Doesn't a Ramjet 350 take 5 quarts not including the filter? Is there any other way to know how much oil is ok? I do have good oil pressure. I'm not sure if the oil light even works or is hooked up. Seems to run ok

But, I am not reading any oil level on the dipstick. Am I crazy?
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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old Jun 10th, 14, 12:54 PM
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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

is the dip stick the correct length? Is the oil pan lower than normal? Something simple must be going on here.
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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

i kick myself for not checking the oil before changing it, but now I'm stuck. I'll look and maybe get a photo of the oil pan but looks standard. I really don't know if the length is correct. But it looks to be made for this engine, but is added as aftermarket as the ramjet doesn't come with one.
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I believe the Ramjet 350 is still supplied with the 6-Qrt truck/marine pan as the other units it's based on, could be wrong.
Not sure if that pan could/would into a F-body frame or not, never tried.

GMP advises installers to check pan fit and change as necessary for each application, for that reason GMP does not supply the unit with a Dip Stick (or tube).
They give you a choice of two (2) types depending on pan they suggest you may need.
For the original 'truck' pan (#10242245);
Stick = #1019942
Tube = #12552920
For the smaller ZZ4 type (#12528916) pans;
Stick = #12551144
Tube = not in my notes, and most likely mute as your pan is bigger - but can probably find it if needed ...

(all this info is in the original documents supplied with the unit)

So I imagine someone just found a stick and it's wrong

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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

just my guess, but I am thinking you have a 7 qt. oil pan.
even if it had a 6 qt. pan and you added 5 qts. of oil you should get something showing on the stick
can you contact the previous owner, or the garage or shop where you bought it
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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

That is the current truck/marine pan used by GMP on many of the mild performance based engines.
So it should be @ 6qrts plus the filter capacity ...

I would bet the dip-stick is wrong and to short to detect level at this point.
I would order the correct parts listed by GMP for that pan set-up and take another run at.
Easy enough to drain the present oil out and measure, then reuse if you want to be sure the replacement dip-stick is now correct.
Running to much oil can be just as bad in the long run as to much ...

I am amazed the front doesn't hit the crossmember

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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

Ram Jets use a 6 qt pan.

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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

It would completely make sense that it is a 6 quart pan (not incluiding filter) since the dipstick isn't reading anything at 5.7 quarts. I simply looked at the specs online and cut and paste them below. Here it says 5 quart and that's why I thought 5.7 quarts would be enough. Maybe the dipstick is actually ok but simply not enough oil yet to read. Is there any way to see a marking or part number on the oil pain that would indicate 6 quarts?

RAMJET 350 Engine Specifications:
Displacement: 350 cubic inches
Bore x Stroke: 4.00 inch x 3.48 inch
Compression 9.4:1
Block: Cast iron, two-bolt main caps
Cylinder Head: Cast iron, Vortec
Valve Diameter (Intake/Exhaust): 1.94"/1.50"
Chamber Volume: 63cc
Crankshaft: Cast iron, 1 piece rear seal
Connecting Rods: Forged, powdered metal, 3/8" bolts
Pistons: Cast aluminum
Rings Top Moly, Second Iron
Camshaft: Hydraulic roller tappet
Lift: .460" intake, .481" exhaust
Duration: 196 intake, 205 exhaust @.050" tappet lift
Centerline: 104 ATDC intake, 109 BTDC exhaust
Rocker Arm Ratio: 1.6:1, roller tip
Timing Chain: Single roller design
Oil Pan: 5 quart excluding oil filter
Oil Pressure (Normal): 6 psig @ 1000 RPM
18 psig @ 2000 RPM
24 psig @ 4000 RPM
Recommended Oil: 5W30
Oil Filter: AC Delco part # - PF1218
Valve Lash: 1/8 Turn Past 0 Lash
Fuel: Premium unleaded - 92 (R+M/2)
Maximum Engine Speed: 5600 RPM
Spark Timing: Initial: 10 Before Top Dead Center
Spark Plugs: AC Delco part # MR43LTS
Spark Plug Gap: 0.040"
Firing Order: 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2
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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

Keep in mind the markings on the dipstick. If you have the correct dipstick for the pan then typically the "Full" mark is a little over 2 quarts up on the stick. The "Add" mark is one quart low and if the oil is just on the tip of the stick you are about 2 quarts low.

It really sounds like you have the wrong dipstick or tube... Is the car on level ground? Did you end up using a 4 quart jug of oil thinking it's 5 quarts? Sorry, gotta ask! Sometimes it's that easy of a mistake...

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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

5 quart jug, dipstick is all the way in the tube, and not hitting the tip yet. So if it is essentially a quart low 5.7 quarts instead of 6.7 quarts) is the risk worse than too much oil?
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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

Looks like a stock depth pan in tbe pics. Im not a fan of the bottom mounted drain plug for bottoming out issues.
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So let me get this straight - we're going to great lengths to discuss a $100 oil pan - that may or may not be 5 or 6 qrts - on a $5K engine when a $50 stick & tube will tell us the actual oil level

If you put @6 qrts in already and it is not showing some level, then it's the wrong stick
And a double-check of my records and the actual GMP build sheet for that assembly shows the 6-qrt pan is used as standard - same as the truck/marine base builds. A quick check of the pump pick-up and other assembly numbers in the same info confirms that pan type.
The picture you posted is also that pan ...

The only reason I really replied is that I 'typo'd' the actual dip stick number - it's #10190942 - sorry about that.

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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

the engine I bought did not have the correct dip stick.
the engine came with oil and I was told that it was the correct amount. 7 qts.
when I checked the oil it was only about a 1/4" on the stick.
I was told to mark the stick THAT IT WAS THE PROPER AMOUNT OF OIL. again 7 qts.
I asked why not the proper stick and I was told it would cause turbulence in the pan
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Re: Engine oil level not reading on dipstick

so the info above showing a 5 quart oil pan is for sure incorrect?! instead it should say 6 quarts?! In that case I would be comfortable adding another quart of oil and see that the stick may be perfectly fine. I just cant find anywhere that says more than a 5 quart pan is standard...
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