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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old Jun 22nd, 14, 12:31 PM Thread Starter
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Installing Accel dist in 350

So I gave up on my msd and bought a Accel performance distributor which is a 59107 model.

Find out the directions say transfer your coil from old cap. I dont have one,,,its the old style female spark plug wire MSD cap and the coil is in the box

Consulted both Summit catalog and my parts store where I bought it. We dont have such a thing,,,no info available.

Does anyone know what it takes to FIND and what model works??? Directions say something about a 59107 model only or does that mean that model dist only??
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post #3 of 16 (permalink) Old Jun 22nd, 14, 02:13 PM
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Re: Installing Accel dist in 350

If you have a 59107 distributor now I don't see why this wouldn't work.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ac.../applications/

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This should work. Call Summit Racing to make sure. Put out 48000 volts too.http://www.summitracing.com/parts/acc-140013
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Re: Installing Accel dist in 350

Ok got all this figured out and trying to get buttoned up and installed. coil installed, cover installed.

Have a couple questions if you can help.

#1 there seems to be so little room between firewall and dist cap that the cap hold down hits the firewall as you turn the dist. How much clearance does it need? and is a hammer and punch applied liberally to the firewall the only answer?

#2 the switch wire ///hot wire issue still haunts me. There are no heavy wire coming thru the firewall from the switch itself,,,just a light wire that is wired to my old MSD box or coil. A relay was suggested but have NO idea how that works. Any advice??

#3. Lastly which port do I use to connect my vac advance to?? lots of capped hoses all over intake and carb?

Thanks for any help,,,I am struggling as I have never had a system like this before. Its been 40 years since twisting any car wrenches,,,but it is fun.
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Re: Installing Accel dist in 350

#1. A hammer works but you can also pull the two bolts out of the transmission mount and shim the transmission up some which will move the distributor away from the firewall. Just make sure the fan doesn't hit the shroud. I've found that 3/4 inch of trans movement affects driveline angle by less than a degree so there shouldn't be an issue there.

#2. Run a new 12 AWG wire from the IGN spade on the fuse block inside the car to the BATT connector on the distributor. Just need a female spade connector and the existing BATT connector.

#3. Follow the instructions to adjust the vacuum advance canister down to around 10-12 degrees of timing, then connect to a manifold vacuum source. If you can't figure out where one's at, it should be one of the carb nipples that is below the throttle plates on the bottom of the carb. Pop off a cap and the engine should rev up.

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Re: Installing Accel dist in 350

re: #3 the 3/32 allen wrench furnished with the dist. should work right?? WRONG. Either it was wrong size with dist. or inside was smaller. Got it adjusted using a 2.5 metric tho,,,just my luck,,all bad!!!

Now I find the new wires i bought wont work. Have headers so need straight boots,,except for cyl.6 which needs an angle boot cause so close to header. I see those wire heat protectors for like 25 bucks,,,are they a good deal?? Seems wires are very close to heat source big time. "IF" I had ends laying around for the male terminals on the cap I would just use the old wires splicing on a new end on them. I had the old style female cap.
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Re: Installing Accel dist in 350

Before you use it, send the large body dist back and find a small body electronic to replace it...

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Re: Installing Accel dist in 350

The best way would have been to use the MSD box, trigger dist and remote coil, or, go with a small-body HEI.

Now, you have NO recourse but to bash the firewall in, to gain clearance, but, the dist will get even closer to the firewall when the trans is in gear, moving the vehicle down the road.

If someone suggests changing the engine or trans mount to get firewall clearance, politely thank them for their suggestion, and RUN AWAY, as fast as you can, that will only cause drive line angle problems you really don't want, nor, need.

BTW, that ACCEL coil shown, the BIG one, sits closer to the firewall than a stock coil down inside the cap cavity does.
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If someone suggests changing the engine or trans mount to get firewall clearance, politely thank them for their suggestion, and RUN AWAY, as fast as you can, that will only cause drive line angle problems you really don't want, nor, need.
Rubbish m8 Read stieners post above.. run a search on older posts going back around 10 yrs.. and u WILL find originally there where 2 different factory trans mounts... something I discovered accidentally back in the 80s when originally going to the GM hei and compare my original factory mount with the modern low replacement.

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Now I find the new wires i bought wont work. Have headers so need straight boots,,except for cyl.6 which needs an angle boot cause so close to header. I see those wire heat protectors for like 25 bucks,,,are they a good deal?? Seems wires are very close to heat source big time. "IF" I had ends laying around for the male terminals on the cap I would just use the old wires splicing on a new end on them. I had the old style female cap.[/QUOTE] Checkout these ends to see if they will work. I just bought them for my Taylor wires that had female ends.
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If someone suggests changing the engine or trans mount to get firewall clearance, politely thank them for their suggestion, and RUN AWAY, as fast as you can, that will only cause drive line angle problems you really don't want, nor, need.

I've done both the math and hands on testing of this on my own car while chasing a rattle. A full 1" of trans movement up or down results in approximately 0.7 degrees of angle change which is negligible....especially since moving the trans up results in the same as moving the pinion down.... which if you absolutely have to move it for some reason..... is the way you want to go with it if it's even close to being parallel with the trans (which a stock car will often not be).

It's also (as I've found) the wrong way to try to align a TKO to get the right driveline angle since you can barely get an angle change compared to shimming the rear as a TKO almost hits the floor as is. Not even worth the trouble really if you're more than a degree off of where you want to be. A Muncie or other has a heap more room though. I've also run as much as two degrees down on the pinion compared to the trans (while chasing the rattle) with no effect on smoothness or ujoints as their angles were still within spec.

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re: #3 the 3/32 allen wrench furnished with the dist. should work right?? WRONG. Either it was wrong size with dist. or inside was smaller. Got it adjusted using a 2.5 metric tho,,,just my luck,,all bad!!!

Now I find the new wires i bought wont work. Have headers so need straight boots,,except for cyl.6 which needs an angle boot cause so close to header. I see those wire heat protectors for like 25 bucks,,,are they a good deal?? Seems wires are very close to heat source big time. "IF" I had ends laying around for the male terminals on the cap I would just use the old wires splicing on a new end on them. I had the old style female cap.
I went with the Accell Extreme wires on my 68 BB396 with headers, they are ceramic straight booted, so far so good and I have a few basically touching headers and no issues or signs of burn through. I had issues with wires burning and also did not like the sloppy look of the socks over the wires and still seemed to allow heat transfer that made wires feel brittle and dried out, did prevent burn through, but still just seemed to cut life of wires down due to heat transfer.
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"Rubbish"

WILL YOU BACK OFF, AND, STOP POSTING YOUR CRAP. We here are trying to help the OP, NOT confuse him further with stuff that does not work.

Now, if someone will do an experiment, or, even better, more than one of you, go out and start the car up, have someone hold the foot brake down, and in gear, add fuel, and WATCH THE ENGINE MOVE, report it back here.

I am usually the person for a hundred miles in any direction that has to fix the idiocy done with things like steptoe's farces, to all sorts of vehicles, and the way I found this wasn't in math, although I am very good at math, but, by actually watching an engine move in a pickup truck chassis, when put in gear, after the engine was "repositioned" by a very reputable chassis shop in So. Cal., to allow clearance for the big cap HEI that had been stuffed into it, against the firewall. This wasn't the only truck butchered up this way, more than a few from the same pickup club had the same chassis shop, do the same work, with the same results, only about a half inch clearance between coil/cap and firewall, NONE when in gear and revved up.

Also, pinion angle is critical, it is finite, and NOT "adaptable", get it wrong, and the result isn't good at all.

Just why is it always an absolute war to get the good, truthful, accurate info out to those that ask for it, past all the smoke, mirrors and bull?

Me, I have worked for Duntov directly, at Skunk Works, on development of engines AND the large cap HEi, and do same for a MotoGP team right now, engine design/development, and have worked for Holley, Shelby, and other venues for many years. I do not know how I got so stupid from responding to steptoe's inaccurate blatherings. Enough is enough. I do this stuff EVERY DAY, fix things others profess to work, that flat do not, EVERY DAY.

Phantom Rider, the ceramics are a good way to go if you need protection from header heat, they work well to keep the wires working the way they should, good on you for your insight.

Let's help the OP, NOT make it worse for him, PLEASE.
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Hmm Steiner explanation above . and funny the HE?I in my camaro fits fine and pinion angle fine...with the lower height and factory correct high trans mount.

As to truck chassis etc ... these are forums about camaros, not trucks....

yeah m8 we are all stupid, havnt a clue what we are talking about, everything we are saying is BS right? 30 /40 years of hands on experience, not just on camaros, but vintage cars from around the world,. classic cars, from 2 cylinder to 12, fuels from old leaded, aviation, propane , methanes etc octanes from 63 to 135....

and u are the 'professional' who does it for a living....where/ what is your shop ?
Chill out m8 customers are waiting.

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