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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old Oct 31st, 14, 05:28 AM Thread Starter
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Street engine on a budget ?

I have just had a bit of luck and have bought a new crate engine from a fellow hot-rodder, a new GM unit part number GM10067353.

This will form the basis of my engine build for my 67 Camaro project. The original 327 engine was removed and lost long before I ever got the car and the replacement 350 was worn out and the block badly cracked.

So, I am thinking I want to up the power a bit, help it breathe better. I would like a little more hp but I don't need it to rev hard.

I am thinking a cam and heads swop and a nice intake to go with the FAST EzEfi kit I already have here. I think an MSD dizzy and box will handle the spark.

has anyone any recommendations or experience of heads/cam/intake that will give me the best upgrades for a reasonable expense ?

Should I also be thinking about what headers/exhaust manifold to use with the upgrades.?

Street driver but must be able to hold its own against kids in fizzy jap cars.

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I am thinking a cam and heads swop and a nice intake to go with the FAST EzEfi kit I already have here. I think an MSD dizzy and box will handle the spark.

has anyone any recommendations or experience of heads/cam/intake that will give me the best upgrades for a reasonable expense ?

Should I also be thinking about what headers/exhaust manifold to use with the upgrades.?


The heads/cam/intake upgrade will help a ton. You'll get as many recommendations as you get responses.

I believe that engine has 8.5:1 comp with 76cc chamber heads. A set of good aluminum heads with 64/5 cc chambers would be a good move, as would a hyd roller camshaft.

I would use headers rather than manifolds. I don't see the need for a MSD ign box on a street car.

Edel Performer RPM is tough to beat for a mild street small block.


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Re: Street engine on a budget ?

Edelbrock sells top end kits that are pretty good bang for the buck.

I agree ditch the MSD box.

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Re: Street engine on a budget ?

Check out Pro-filers aluminum heads @ http://www.profilerperformance.com/r.../sbc-23-degree. For the price these are one of the better heads you can get. Here is a nice hydraulic roller cam and lifter kit to go with the heads. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hr...make/chevrolet Check out these ceramic coated headers for a 67 Camaro http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pt...t/model/camaro
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post #5 of 33 (permalink) Old Oct 31st, 14, 08:40 AM
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Re: Street engine on a budget ?

Make sure that MSD dizzy has vacuum advance.

It will kill your gas mileage if it doesn't.

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MSD will probably be this:

http://www.msdignition.com/Products/...stributor.aspx
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Make sure that MSD dizzy has vacuum advance.

It will kill your gas mileage if it doesn't.
Whats gas mileage??

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Whats gas mileage??
My Wife's VW Golf gets 58mpg on diesel so in my mind what I save on running that I can get low mpg out of the Camaro and just pretend I have two cars that do around 30 mpg...

Wifey tells me its man Math at its finest.
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Re: Street engine on a budget ?

Well it will run and idle cooler with a vacuum advance so even if you don't care about mpg, a vacuum advance is still a good idea if it's gonna be a street cruiser. If it was just for the track then no matter.

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The heads/cam/intake upgrade will help a ton. You'll get as many recommendations as you get responses.

I believe that engine has 8.5:1 comp with 76cc chamber heads. A set of good aluminum heads with 64/5 cc chambers would be a good move, as would a hyd roller camshaft.

I would use headers rather than manifolds. I don't see the need for a MSD ign box on a street car.

Edel Performer RPM is tough to beat for a mild street small block.
I totally agree here as I have the same exact combo in my parts hauler truck and it runs excellent.
Goodwrench 350, RPM heads and a small Lunati Voodoo roller cam.
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post #12 of 33 (permalink) Old Nov 1st, 14, 02:19 AM Thread Starter
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Re: Street engine on a budget ?

So for speed and ease of installation it might be best to just get an Edelbrock top end kit, heads, intake and cam and fit the MSD all in one dizzy and a set of headers.

Should I be looking at a better oil pump or is the standard one ok for what I am doing ? I am putting a better oil pan on, I don't like this one as it is not baffled very well and we have lots of very twisty roads here and I like to "make progress".
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Re: Street engine on a budget ?

The title is 'Street engine on a budget'. Well, you need to specify your budget, because aluminum heads and roller cam setups are certainly not cheap.

If you are truly 'on a budget', there are less expensive options. Of course, if you can afford to throw down the big buck$$ for edelbrock RPM heads and a roller cam & retrofit roller lifters, go for it. Those are very nice parts.

If you want to spend alot less money, here's my suggestions:

Vortec iron heads have 64cc chambers and flow well. 'Dirt cheap' vortec heads, casting 062 or 906 can be found in the junkyard off of '96-99 suburban/yukon, trucks. Or, if you prefer, here's a set on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/321567563063 Swap in used LS1 beehive valve springs with comp 787 retainers to increase the vortec head's lift capability. Just be cautious and inspect used vortec heads carefully for cracks. They are prone to cracking in the exhaust seat if the engine was overheated. Use the stock vortec self aligning rockers. At the junkyard, also grab the head bolts, center bolt valve covers, and valve cover bolts too.

Throw it together with a ebay vortec 4bbl intake: $118 http://www.ebay.com/itm/121404952728

and then consider a summit cam/lifters. Good cams, with proven grinds for cheap. I'd consider 1102 for auto, 1103 for manual trans. On a street car, there is not going to be that much difference in power roller vs. flat tappet cam, but there is a big difference in price!

As far as ignition, you don't need the fancy MSD stuff. Run a HEI, also easily found at the junkyard from any mid/late 70's - early 80's SBC.

Score some cheap headers from craigslist or a swap meet. I scored headers for my '68 for $40 off craigslist

The standard oil pump is fine. Don't need a HV for the street, just robs power to be always pushing against the fluid when you don't need it.

You'll have a rippin' combo with hundreds invested... instead of thousands.

This is coming from a full time college student, shoestring budget guy. If you have more money for all the best brand new parts, go for it, but my point is you don't have to spend alot to have a stompin' street engine if you are careful and know what you are doing.

The important thing here is that you ask me what kind of car I've got. "I've got a BITCHIN' CAMARO"
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Dude's in England.

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Re: Street engine on a budget ?

Hey Joe,

Good post and a good question, my budget to make this engine perform better is a couple of grand, I have done the junkyard builds, I have done the shoestring cars kept going while I was college and in my first part time jobs, I turned 40 recently and this is my present to myself for working since I was 14 and now being in a position to afford to do the car I always wanted.

The other complication is that I am in England so junkyards are full of French cars and old VWs and other things that I am interested in !

Again, thanks for the very well considered post. I think anyone doing a search on this topic in future who reads it will be very pleased to find all that great information in one place.
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