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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old Aug 3rd, 03, 01:50 PM Thread Starter
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Today was a quest to find a starter for my car and I had absolutely no luck. I have a 1975 Chevy 350 truck motor in the car and a Muncie M20 with a 3858403 bell housing.

This is the information I have on the block:

Casting: 3970010
1968-1979, 327 and 350ci, 145-375HP, 2 or 4 bolt main. Used for trucks and high performance applications.

VIN Stamping: C5U114394
C - Chevy truck
5 - 1975
U - Lordstown, OH assembly plant
114394 - Last 6 digits of the VIN. 14,394th unit built so it is an early 75 model.

Engine Application Code: V1106TYU
V - Flint, MI engine plant
11 - November
06 - 6th day
TYU - 1975 3/4 or 1 ton truck, 350ci, 160HP, manual trans, 4bbl carb, RPO LS9.

We tried a starter numerous starters but nothing matched what I have and would not work. Anyone got a recommendation? I'd like to stick with a starter that I can pick up at just about any parts store.

Please let me know if you need more information.

Frustrated...

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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old Aug 3rd, 03, 02:50 PM
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Donald,
The answer is going to depend on which size flywheel you are using. There are only a couple of choices depending on the bolt pattern on the block and the flywheel size. Your flywheel is probably a large one with 168 teeth on the ring gear. If so, the starter for a 71 Chevelle 350 should work fine.
What was different about the starters that you got from the parts store that they would not work ?

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post #3 of 10 (permalink) Old Aug 3rd, 03, 02:54 PM
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Don, with the 403 bellhousing and a 153 tooth flywheel, you should be able to use any generic starter with large nose and straight bolt holes. They would use the long and short bolts. Are the two holes closest to the bellhousing tapped? What types of starters have you been trying?

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post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old Aug 3rd, 03, 02:56 PM
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Try a 68 Camaro 327 or 69 302. Should be fine with one of those. I have no idea why that would not fit. The 403 bellhousing will not fit the 350 engine starter. If you are positive it is a "403" bellhousing, there are not many choices in nose cones. The bolts should be in line, not staggered. If the old starter has 2 bolts not in line with each other, you have the bigger setup.

The 350 can come with the SS sized bellhousing/Clutch/starter which is all different stuff.

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Don, After seeing BillKs post (we were typing at the same time, Bill was just quicker [img]smile.gif[/img] ), You are not running the large flywheel (11 inch clutch) with the 403 (10.5 inch clutch)bellhousing, are you? That combo would not work with any type of starter, except maybe an aftermarket mini one.

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post #6 of 10 (permalink) Old Aug 3rd, 03, 04:37 PM Thread Starter
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DOH!!!

I think Mark hit it on the head when he stated that a "403 bellhousing will not fit the 350 engine starter." Every starter we tried was for a 350. We tried the 68, 70, and 75 Camaro 350 and a 75 truck. Plus we cross referenced with other starters and none would work. In all we tried at least 8 different starters, but all were for a 350. All of these would not line up with the bellhousing hole and the bolt holes. The current starter has about 2 inches between the left side of the starter gear shaft and the outside bolt hole and all those we looked at today had only 1" to 1.5". This would be for a larger flywheel if I am viewing it in my mind correctly.

The current starter does utilize the long and short bolts that are in line. Nothing we looked at today used this configuration. Almost all, if not all, of them used the two medium sized bolts. I am sure the bellhousing is the 403 and I would expect the flywheel is the correct 10.5, but I am not sure.

So having read all of this I am thinking that if I go ask for a 68 Camaro 327 starter I'll finally get what I need. Agreed?

Geesh... I feel dumb. [img]graemlins/clonk.gif[/img]

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69 307 will also work. I run the 403 bell on my zz4 350 and mini starter. I replaced the oringinal w/ the GM mini/. I have the original starter and it is for a 153 tooth fly and 69 307 and will bolt up to the parallel bolt pattern on a zz4 350.

Does the Block have starter holes that line up parallel? If so, you should be able to find the correct starter.

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Glad you found it. There is no way to use the 168 tooth flywheel with a 403 bellhousing. The 168 is physicaly too big to fit inside it. Been there, done that, T-shirt don't fit anymore

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If you are looking for a hi-torque starter to work with your 153 tooth flywheel, go to the parts house and ask for a 1970 Oldsmobile 455 starter.. Does not matter which model car, just a '70 Olds 455. I KNOW this starter will work for you. It has the two holes in-line, and both bolts are the same length..

Good luck with your project!

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post #10 of 10 (permalink) Old Aug 4th, 03, 06:14 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks gang for all the input. The 68 327 starter was a perfect fit.

Now if I can just remember that when I have to replace it.

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