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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old Oct 7th, 04, 08:30 AM Thread Starter
 
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I tried to install the engine and trans as a unit, 406 SB with a Turbo 350 trans and the engine mounts hit the frame mounts before I can get the engine far enough toward the fire wall to lower it onto the frame mounts. The trans is also hitting the firewall in the trans hump area. I am using aftermarket poly engine and trans mounts and also installed solid body mounts from global west. This engine and trans was installed before the tear down for rebuilding the front end so it should have gone in without any problems. Any ideas why this combo doesn't fit now? By the way, this is a 69 RS. Thanks
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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old Oct 7th, 04, 08:36 AM
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There are two holes in the frame and two in the body (5/8") .610". They are there to line up the frame with the body. Check the alignment to be sure the frame is not too far back. A 5/8" piece of bar stock will work. You may have moved the frame while installing the mounts.
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Is the crossmember installed?

If it is, try removing it and put a floor jack under the trans to get the angle you need.

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I used the .610 dia pins to get the subframe lined up and checked it for square by measuring. The trans cross member is in and lines up with recesses on the floor pan. It was a tight fit getting the crossmember in, I had to loosen one of the rear body mounts so the subframe would move down enough to get the crossmember in. The body mounts are supposed to be the standard height, could they have sent me the .5" lower versions? What should they measure? I plan to try taking off one of the engine mounts and see if that will allow me to lower the engine enough to slide it back and not hit the firewall. I am only off by 1/2 to 3/4" now.
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It's not uncommon to have to loosen the body mounts to get the crossmember in or out, but It does sound like you have a motor mount issue. I don't have measurements of stock mounts but my bell housing in my 69 doesn't even come close to the firewall. The back of my cylinder heads are about 2" from the firewall. Are you sure the frame mounts are bolted up in the correct location?
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post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old Oct 7th, 04, 11:52 AM
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Is the crossmember installed?

If it is, try removing it and put a floor jack under the trans to get the angle you need.
I agree, raise the tail of the trans up a little and you should be able to work it into place. I think that you are lowering the engine too soon trying to get the trans in the tunnel. jack up the tail, move it back or roll the car forward, lower the engin a little and keep working it. I always put my th400 in separate, seems easier to me.

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post #7 of 9 (permalink) Old Oct 7th, 04, 12:47 PM
 
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Funny, I just installed my 496 and it's M-20 four speed and it slid right in even going over the drivers side fender. My motor was hoisted north/south so I just had to turn her, lower, turn her, lower turn her until she just popped right in there east/west b/c of coming in over the side.

I have about 3/4" drop between my driveway and my garage floor and I figured the cherry-picker's wheels woulda hung up on it sure as he--!! That's why I went sideways is all.......

How much tilt did you have on your motor and tranny when you tried to slide her home b/c it takes a pretty good slant to clear everything.

And tape/bag the tranny end or you will grease your floor up real good!! How do I know, just past experience is all.........

And I'm talking not removing the crossmember either!!

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post #8 of 9 (permalink) Old Oct 8th, 04, 05:59 AM Thread Starter
 
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I had a jack under the tail of the trans and raised it until it bottomed on the floorpan and still no-go. I ended up taking the drivers side engine mount off so I could lower it enough to slide the engine back. It's all bolted up now but still weird that it didn't want to fit.
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post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old Oct 11th, 04, 08:56 AM
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Just out of curiosity did you have the front wheels on ramps? When I did my 68 I had front and rear on ramps and it went in easy.
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