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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old Jan 29th, 05, 02:22 PM Thread Starter
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Hi all
I am going to start installing 454 soon. I found out that 454 might be externally balanced.
1. Is there a code on the engine to tell me if it is internal or external balanced or what do I look for to tell me which it is. The 454 was in a 74 Chevy 3/4 ton pickup with Auto Trans. Flex plate looks like it is counter balanced.
2. I am installing in front of Toploader tranny is there a 454 balanced Flywheel I need to look for.
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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old Jan 29th, 05, 02:56 PM
 
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Not 100% sure but I think all 400SB and 454BB are externally balanced.
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All 454 are externally balanced unless they have been internally balance by a machine shop.You need a 454 flywheel.

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post #4 of 11 (permalink) Old Jan 29th, 05, 04:17 PM
 
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you can use a regular flywheel if you get a counter balancer plate that goes between the flywheel and the crank. competition products sells them for $18.95 plus shipping.
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Thanks!

So am I correct in thinking that on install the weight on the harmonic balancer should be 180 degrees from the from the counter balancer plate. Let say harmonic balancer weight at 6:00 position and counter balancer plate at 12:00 position on the crank shaft.

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After looking at the engine I don't think that my last post is right. I now think the purpose is to counter balance the crank. Correct?
So new Question how do you establish the install position for the counter balance plate for a 454?
Should both weights be in alignment?(counter balancer plate and the harmonic balancer)

Sorry for the confusion.
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Try Midwest Motorsports too for the f/w balance plates!!

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After looking at the engine I don't think that my last post is right. I now think the purpose is to counter balance the crank. Correct?
So new Question how do you establish the install position for the counter balance plate for a 454?
Should both weights be in alignment?(counter balancer plate and the harmonic balancer)

Sorry for the confusion.
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The correct 454 harmonic balancer already has the weight, and is indexed to the crank by the key. The weighted 454 flywheel/flexplate is also indexed to the crank by the dowel pin in the crank and the extra hole in the flywheel.
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Yes what John said and the blance plate mounts the same with a non-weighted flywheel to balance right.. (Use the crank flange's dowel pin hole as a line-up reference)...

And isn't the balance plate marked which side is "to flange" or something like that??

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post #10 of 11 (permalink) Old Feb 4th, 05, 05:46 PM
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MT,
I know a lot of guys have used the balance plate without problems, but .... on a stick shift car I would not use it. Sort of like wheel spacers, the plate is a "band aid", not a true fix. Get the correct flywheel, they are not all that expensive.

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Thanks guy's

That's what I needed to know!

Just doing a quick fix till summer. I will need a new clutch and flywheel soon. We just miss enjoying a short cruise now and then.

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