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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old Apr 3rd, 04, 12:14 PM Thread Starter
 
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I know this has been beat to death, but can I just move the two holes that are in my stock, SB crossmember over an inch to the pass. side and install my BB and not have to worry about my Muncie shifter giving me and my console any problems??

I have the correct frame and rubber mounts for a BB to go in my car already..

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Paul,

I've heard a lot of guys using the later model trans pads that only have one stud in the middle; it lines up with the small block crossmember (passenger side hole)without having to re-drill anything.

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Thank's jody,

Will moving my motor over 1" bother my Muncie shifter in my stock console??

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Seems like there's enough room. I don't remember the big blocks getting a bb-specific console or insert in the console.

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Thanks jody.

I didn't see the guy tonight that I'm going to barrow the cherry-picker off of so will need to call him tomorrow.

Then get busy on my car..

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I suspect you will hit the console. b/b shifters used a special mounting bracket so the shifter would not hit the sides.

In other words, the console is the same for b/b and s/b, but the mounting bracket and the linkage are different.
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Seems like there's enough room. I don't remember the big blocks getting a bb-specific console or insert in the console.

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The bigblocks that had Muncies had a special shifter with a 1" block to move it back to its "SB" position. They also had special linkage rods so that everything fitted. Those shifters are paynig high prices on eBay these days.

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I should have known that! On my yellow car I built a 1" spacer for the handle (very simple) which moved the stick back over where it belonged.

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Now I understand why my .060" over 409 "W" motor fit like it grew in my car when I just put it on my 350 SB's rubber and frame and tranny mounts..

If it wasn't for header hassle I would put my 496 on them!!

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The b/b and s/b used the same shifter. The mounting bracket for the b/b moves the shifter 3/8" to the left, to make up for the engine being moved to the right. The b/b linkage is slightly different, to compensate for the fact that the shifter is 3/8" further out from the tranny.
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I had a b/b and a s/b bracket and linkage, but, like an idiot, I did not take pics of them to show the difference. GaryL, wanna send me the shifter back, so I can take a few pics?
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If you have the right frame mounts, it also moves the engine forward a bit. That's why the shifter rods are a different length.

If you just move the shifter out 1' inch with a spacer, you may not be centered in the console (fore and aft) and the shifter may hit the console in 1st and 3rd.

If you don't mind reaching a bit further for the shifter handle and it doesn't hit too hard, the spacer idea works.

As an aside, the aftermarket "correct" BB shifter bracket is pretty expensive and still neeeds modifying. It doesn't even have the correct size nut welded to the back of the bracket that the bolt through the shift bolts to!! How hard could that have been to get right?

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