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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old Jan 26th, 17, 11:03 AM Thread Starter
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Pulling engine from side?

I realize this may be a stupid question but.... I'm getting anxious to start my spring engine rebuild project early. This will be my first time pulling the engine. My cars in a garage with not much room front to back and I don't want to mess with backing it out due to the weather. I have plenty of room on the drivers side. My plan is to remove just the engine (350) - not the tranny too. Could I attack it with a cherry picker from the side as long as I follow all the steps (removing hood, etc)? I've already got all the accessories off so it will be just the basic engine.

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Re: Pulling engine from side?

It's doable with the right cherry picker, you will need to get it up high enough to clear the fender. Also think about the legs that go under the car, from the side requires longer and maybe wider legs...

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Re: Pulling engine from side?

If you were to remove the fender and you have a crane that can reach in that far and still lift 600 pounds then yes you could. The further you extend the crane boom the less you can lift and the greater is the possibility of it flipping over the front wheels (center of gravity exceeding the base).

I have pulled an engine from the side in the past with a five ton cherry picker designed to work with diesel truck engines (there the problem was the thickness or height of the lower legs hitting the frame).

Most hobbyist engine pullers have a hard time lifting the motor high enough to clear the front of the car let alone swinging over the top of the fender which is an inch or so higher.

Another solution would be to pull the motor apart down to the short block as that will gain you eight to fourteen inches of additional clearance as you are now missing carb and intake and you can really tighten up on the sling as there are no heads in the way of the chain you use to pick it up. Not to mention lighting the load.

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Re: Pulling engine from side?

Thanks. Interesting thought. I actually already have it down to the short block as I was having too much fun taking it apart! I had wondered if you could lift it without heads on. All the instructions I see online have you bolt onto the intake or the heads. So you can hook the lift right onto the block (I assume the head bolt holes?) without risking damage to the block?

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Re: Pulling engine from side?

I've done it. Had to turn the front tires all the way to one side so the legs of the hoist can slide in far enough to get the hook directly over the carb lift plate. I did have to raise it pretty high to clear the fender. Work slowly and don't jerk it since the center of gravity is pretty far forward...don't want it to rotate over the front casters wheels as Dave mentioned earlier.

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Re: Pulling engine from side?

I pulled my engine over the fender using a Torin 2 ton hoist. My hoist is around 63 inches long extended which is a few inches to short to install from the front. I think one with a 68 inch reach would be perfect for installing from the front. I removed the trans before hand. When i removed the engine, I just used a lift plate mounted to the manifold. I had to raise my car so the legs of the hoist could slide in far enough to reach the lift bracket. I used 2x4 blocks to get the car just high enough to fit the hoist legs under the car. I also removed the front tire. The engine cleared the fender no problems.

When I installed my engine, I had the 4 spd mounted to it and I used a engine leveler mounted using the intake bolts. This was a bit tricky as the hoist did not go high enough to install the engine with the car jacked up. So i raise/lower the car to get the the engine/trans and hoist into position. I would have plenty of 2x4 blocks available I had two other people helping me so it wasn't too bad. The extra set of eyes and hands helps out. I would not install an engine/trans combo over the fender by myself.

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If you were to remove the fender and you have a crane that can reach in that far and still lift 600 pounds then yes you could. The further you extend the crane boom the less you can lift and the greater is the possibility of it flipping over the front wheels (center of gravity exceeding the base).

I have pulled an engine from the side in the past with a five ton cherry picker designed to work with diesel truck engines (there the problem was the thickness or height of the lower legs hitting the frame).

Most hobbyist engine pullers have a hard time lifting the motor high enough to clear the front of the car let alone swinging over the top of the fender which is an inch or so higher.

Another solution would be to pull the motor apart down to the short block as that will gain you eight to fourteen inches of additional clearance as you are now missing carb and intake and you can really tighten up on the sling as there are no heads in the way of the chain you use to pick it up. Not to mention lighting the load.

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Thanks all for the advice!

Dave - it would be really convenient for me to just pull the short block since I've already removed the intake, heads and accessories. Where would you suggest connecting the hoist? Right to the head bolt holes or are there spots on the front and back of the block that would be better (i.e., where the accessories were connected)? Thanks again!

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Re: Pulling engine from side?

If you pull the tranny out you can access the bolt holes that are used to attach the bell housing and the water pump bolt hole. Other wise a piece of angle iron bolted to the deck through the head bolts on each side allows you to attach a chain between the two pieces of metal after you bore a few holes.

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Re: Pulling engine from side?

I've done it several times out of necessity since my driveway is sloped down and away preventing me from doing it from the front. A runaway hoist with a big block attached is a scary thought. This is with the car supported on stands and the left front tire off. Make sure the boom on the hoist is long enough so the hoist isn't jammed against the fender. Mine's a little short and wrestling the block in and out of place is not fun with all fresh paint. I'm actually looking to get a piece of steel and make a longer boom for my "import" hoist.
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Re: Pulling engine from side?

I would get it ready to pull then brave the weather for the 30 minutes it will take to pull it from the front.

Will make the job tremendously easier.

With the heads off just use a couple of the headbolt holes for the chain.

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Re: Pulling engine from side?

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I've done it several times out of necessity since my driveway is sloped down and away preventing me from doing it from the front. A runaway hoist with a big block attached is a scary thought. This is with the car supported on stands and the left front tire off. Make sure the boom on the hoist is long enough so the hoist isn't jammed against the fender. Mine's a little short and wrestling the block in and out of place is not fun with all fresh paint. I'm actually looking to get a piece of steel and make a longer boom for my "import" hoist.
It can be dangerous to make the boom longer. The lift can become unbalanced and tip forward over the wheels. Please be careful when redesigning products such as these.

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It can be dangerous to make the boom longer. The lift can become unbalanced and tip forward over the wheels. Please be careful when redesigning products such as these.

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Extend the legs also so it won't tip. I have a huge crane that has extendable legs and boom but the down side is it hits the control arms most of the time if the legs are out. I've considered redoing the front wheels but have't got it done.

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It can be dangerous to make the boom longer. The lift can become unbalanced and tip forward over the wheels. Please be careful when redesigning products such as these.

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I made a longer boom. Much easier than I thought and looks good. The hoist is a little "tippy" but a few iron big block cylinder heads on the back end oughta hold it down.
I'll also install the short block and finish off the top end once it's in the car. Same with flywheel on back to lessen the load.
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Re: Pulling engine from side?

The distance should be shorter going in from the side I would think? Even so I think you will be fine pulling just the short block this way. I personally would get it ready like John suggested and roll it back a few feet scotch the tires, put a jack underneath the tranny, pull the engine, tie the tranny up with a motorcycle strap, rope or something to hold it up safely and in place. Then roll it back inside.

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