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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old Aug 19th, 18, 04:36 AM Thread Starter
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Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

While putting my heads back on and installing the TKO600, I decided to trash my old exhaust system and I purchased the Flowmaster American Thunder 837139 from Summit, as well as these cutouts from Kindig. I would like to install some wideband air/fuel monitoring system. Since I eventually want to install a multiport efi on my Mark IV 396 with .566 lift hydraulic roller, this will be nice to get the exhaust section finished now. I found this Innovate DLG-1. Any thoughts on this or is there another system you all have used that you like?

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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

I've had good luck with Innovate's stuff. LM1 and their AuxBox has served me well. I'm tempted to put their green readout in place of the ash tray of our '69 - I'd make a small aluminum black panel with proper cutout for the gauge to rest in place of the tray, so I could flip the compartment closed for show and open for go...

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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

We put a wideband set up on my sons car with a holley carb. It made tuning the carb a piece of cake. Well worth the money. I can tell you that my camaro and nova will have one. We used the AEM stuff.

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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

I have the AEM one in my ashtray as well. It is the only way to really see what is going on. 90% of the muscle cars at cruises are way fat. At the track you can really learn a lot, I was pulling out jetting and going faster. Without the meter, I would have never taken out that much fuel, especially with the annular booster
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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

The Innovate DLG-1 has two O2 sensors. I did not find the AEM with two O2 sensors. Do I need to monitor both banks in this system? Is it necessary? I did notice that the AEM did not require the free air calibration, plus they are Wi-Fi. Thats cool. They also seem to be cheaper. Can you hook up data loggers with the AEM system? I am the type of person that thinks it is a real benefit to be able to actually see the numbers and the results when you make a change and I really want that..

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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

I have an Innovative LM-2 and only use one sensor. Has served me well.
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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

I have the AEM with one O2 sensor and it works great. It can be a little addicting always checking the gauge for the optimal mixture. It does aid significantly with tuning the motor.

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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

I'm running the MTX-L and their PL-1 recorder.

I agree, makes tuning a breeze since you can see changes in real time



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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

The only time I logged my original lm-1 was at the track, now I just look at it between gear changes and then at the traps

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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

Written by a buddy on another site....very informative


https://ls1tech.com/forums/carburete...orsepower.html

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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

And more...

https://www.innovatemotorsports.com/...FI_mileage.php

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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

I just read the above post from the innovate site, they made crazy changes, you better have a lot of time and patience.

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Re: Thoughts on Wideband Air/Fuel Monitor Systems

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Will the "Innovate Motorsports LM-1 Wideband tuning device and LMA-3 Aux Box data acquisition (roughly $590)" hook up to my 69 Camaro with no OBDII? I tried reading up on it and did not see any reference to a computer in the car that this needs to connect to.

BTW: What is Lambda?! Is it a unit of measure? After Googling it, I got that it is a Greek letter. Can someone help bring me some clarity?

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Doug,
Will the "Innovate Motorsports LM-1 Wideband tuning device and LMA-3 Aux Box data acquisition (roughly $590)" hook up to my 69 Camaro with no OBDII? I tried reading up on it and did not see any reference to a computer in the car that this needs to connect to.

BTW: What is Lambda?! Is it a unit of measure? After Googling it, I got that it is a Greek letter. Can someone help bring me some clarity?

Brett.....
Lambda ...yes, a unit of measurement.


As for the LM-1/LMA-3 boxes...I do not know. I would suggest contacting the customer service dept. for a better answer.
BUT.... a quick look, I think you'll be fine and no OBD II needed. The boxes I'm using are analog and no computer needed.

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