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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old Apr 7th, 19, 10:28 AM Thread Starter
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Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

Just had a few questions about the type of oil and oil filter for this engine. I’ve been around cars and worked on them all my life but never on these older big blocks It is a solid lifter engine so I assume it has a flat tapper cam? Also I’ve heard to use the valvoline VR1 racing oil since it has the zinc addictive in it. Another question does this need to be used at initial start up or every oil change? Also I am in Texas so I would think 10W-30 is good to use. I want to use ac Delco filters only and what I’ve read is the PF-25 or PF-35 will work. Also the PF454 which I think is the short filter but would rather use the long filter. I will be getting a 69 camaro soon and want to make sure I use the correct oil and oil filter. Thanks in advance.
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The VR, or even the diesel 15-40 oils like chevron Delo or the shell have more zinc than the normal stuff, it’s cheper and easier to find than the VR1.
Of course there’s the real fancy stuff like Brad Penn or whatever the new name is.

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Re: Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

Flat tappet cam with today's oil is a disaster waiting to happen with a BBC. Even back in the old days with access to Zinc and Potassium rich oil, cams wiped lobes regularly if they spent a lot of time idling.

You can not assume that because it is a solid tappet that it is a flat tappet because engine builders know how unreliable a flat tappet is and would like the engine to last long enough to get it out the door of their shop. Solid roller cost more than a hydraulic roller cam kit because you have to replace the valve springs to stay out of valve float with a solid cam (a hydraulic tappet is a rev limiter built into the engine, which is why engine builders love to use them).

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So saying that is it safe to use the VR1 oil regardless. If it’s a flat tappet, solid roller or hydraulic roller cam?
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Re: Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

There are a lot of oils out there with higher zinc amounts besides ZR1 (which I believe Valvoline has 2 different blends): Brad Penn, Lucas Hot Rod, Schaeffer Racing Oil, Royal Purple all have high zinc numbers. Just choose the oil that is easy enough to buy or read the data specs (found on each company's websites) on them all and choose the one you seem to like the best.

As for oil filters, I do believe that the Wix filters are a step above AC's, but that is my opinion.

Oil weight: 10w-30 and 10w-40 have seemed to work for the past half a century, why change now? Being in Texas, I also don't see why 15w-40 wouldn't work either.
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Re: Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

Flat Tappet cams want high zinc content oil all the time ESPECIALLY on initial break in. There are high zinc content break in oils (Joe Gibbs) used for initial start up and cam break in. You typically drain these oils after the initial 20 min cam break in at 2000 RPM. 30 wt and just about any filter for this would be fine

After that VR1 and WIX filter. Never FramÖ.and sadly AC Delcos are not what they once were

10-30 oil is fine for most engines...BUT IT DEPENDS IF THE MOTOR WAS BUILT WITH SLIGHTLY WIDER BEARING CLEARANCES. If so than builder would spec what weight. 10-40 or 20-50
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Re: Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

I'm in Texas and I run Amsoil Z-Rod 10w-30 and Wix filters. But I have a roller hydraulic cam. After researching Wix was hands down the popular & preferred oil filter on this site. There is a video around of a guy taking some filters and testing them. I don't take it as the gospel, but it was pretty interesting some of the things he found.

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Which wix filter is the correct? Sounds like I can run the oil with the zinc additive all the time. Does it hurt to run the oil with the zinc addictive in say a roller cam engine? Sorry for all the questions. If I don’t use the VR1 oil what is the preferred and easier to get?
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Re: Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

High zinc all the time is fine. If you went back 30-40 years ago, the zinc content was high on all oils. I use Schaeffer 10w-30 Race oil which can be bought on amazon. I have a friend that uses Lucas Hot Rod oil that he bought through NAPA. So the choice is yours............

I like the 51794 Wix filter which is a Chevy 2 quart truck filter. Do not use the 51794R race filter which is not recommended for street use due to the high micron rating.
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Re: Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

Wix 51061 filter is what you want

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Re: Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil is typically at O'Riellys, and likely other chain auto part stores. Amazon likely also
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Yes I saw that one and the 51069. Looks like the 61 is the way to go
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Re: Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

VR1 in 30 or 40 is all I used in my Camaro with FT or roller cams....never had a cam issue.

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Re: Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

I like VR1 and have run it in several flat tappet engines, including big block chevy and also Pontiac and Olds. I would run 10w40 for the summer in TX. Or even 20w50. The higher viscosity is good for a little extra protection in the heat.

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Re: Type of oil and oil filter for a 69 427 engine.

Either get your Wix filter from Napa which is Napa Gold 1061 or from an auto supply store Wix 51061. It's the same deal. I bought a case of the Wix made in USA so I'm not running to the store. IMO today's AC Delco filters are thin metal China junk.

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